yes has worked well but you need to be able to see soil, then some slurry after drilling helps
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Permanent clover understory
- Thread starter Banana Bar
- Start date
yes has worked well but you need to be able to see soil, then some slurry after drilling helps
How’s everyone’s clover understorey holding up? Been interesting reading all the above.
- Location
- Essex
Easily done.
Mine is full of creeping thistle. It had 2 litres of glyphosate in mid Feb which was obviously too early for them. It's supposed to have spring oats in it but they are still in the bag.
Need to discuss options with the agronomy department.
Glyphosate doesn't do much to creeping thistle anyway.
I put shield on mine for similar reasons even at low rates it wiped it out
- Location
- Essex
What about the clover?
- Location
- Top of the Chilterns
Was anyone involved with the innovative farmers trials? The conclusions seemed to be yield based (30% reduction compared to the control), rather than margin. That said, in organic there will be more of a correlation, given there aren't any synthetic inputs.
Also increase in perennial weeds and grass weeds.
Also increase in perennial weeds and grass weeds.
You always have to spoil it
- Location
- Top of the Chilterns
Just come out I think, hence asking. Not all bad though! Bit of a shame as I've been trying for years to get it to work!
Living Mulches Final Report - Agricology
The final report for Innovative Farmers field lab trials which aimed to determine the impacts of living mulches on cash crop yields and weed composition.
agricology.co.uk
deaders
- Location
- North Yorkshire
How are people getting on with their understories a few years down the line since this thread was started?
I'm wanting to have a go myself, I’ve got various quotes for small white clover seed or some blends, what are you finding it working well?
Tempted to try keep it as cheap as possible to start with. I’ve got quotes for Rivendell or Aberace, the latter being 25% more expensive (£10/kg vs £12.50ish) Is an Aber variety worth the premium?
Blends of small white clover and yellow trefoil come in around £14-15 would the trefoil add value to the mix or am I just paying for someone to do the blending?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
I'm wanting to have a go myself, I’ve got various quotes for small white clover seed or some blends, what are you finding it working well?
Tempted to try keep it as cheap as possible to start with. I’ve got quotes for Rivendell or Aberace, the latter being 25% more expensive (£10/kg vs £12.50ish) Is an Aber variety worth the premium?
Blends of small white clover and yellow trefoil come in around £14-15 would the trefoil add value to the mix or am I just paying for someone to do the blending?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
- Location
- Essex
On seed and pricing, the quantities are so small that Its easier to blend it yourself. Jura is another small, low white clover.
In answer to your first question, I think we have harmed ours with pre emergence sprays followed by the wet winter. I have seen some clover since the spring but not looked too hard tbh. Will see what's there after harvest and report back.
- Location
- Ceredigion
Rivendel is the Gold Standard for small leaf
- Location
- Foothills of the Quantocks
I've been using Aberlasting, now called doubleroot I think.
- Location
- North Yorkshire
I ordered the Rivendell in the end, just need to decide whether to drill it with the sabre tine or broadcast it off the straw rake once the wheat is off now
TelesnaAg
Member
- Location
- Portland, Victoria - Australia
This is very old idea.
Many use to use white or flat type clo ers in crops to stop splashes of dirt getting on the plant this refucing disease.
There are many varieties that will persist in soil if allowed to set seed one year.
Balansa is good, black seed Antas, straewberry, aalso good, both you can smoke a paddock for 4 years with chem and it will come back.
For interrow seeding, let clover establish, chem retard or graze to the boards, seed in cereal with triple disc. Must use wave coulter upfront for establishment, i.e great plains.
Ant...
Many use to use white or flat type clo ers in crops to stop splashes of dirt getting on the plant this refucing disease.
There are many varieties that will persist in soil if allowed to set seed one year.
Balansa is good, black seed Antas, straewberry, aalso good, both you can smoke a paddock for 4 years with chem and it will come back.
For interrow seeding, let clover establish, chem retard or graze to the boards, seed in cereal with triple disc. Must use wave coulter upfront for establishment, i.e great plains.
Ant...
TelesnaAg
Member
- Location
- Portland, Victoria - Australia
Broadcast and roll if soil is not friable.
Finer the clover seed better the broadcast result.
Ant....
clbarclay
Member
- Location
- Worcestershire
Is the triple disc needed for mechanically destroying the clover where the seedlings will emerge?