Please can we have another referendum

[Amcnab]

That's odd, everyone I speak to who voted leave still want to leave, and so now do some - but a minority - of those who voted to remain.

Out of interest, if Remain lose again will you want another vote after that?

I’d be surprised if leave won again,there’s no one left in a strong political job that wanted to leave,they’ve all abandoned ship already. And are all crowing from the sidelines now.

We weren’t told it would be Armageddon for years to follow

We’re cutting away from our biggest customers

 

[Hilly]

Id be confident leave would win by a greater margin.

 

[Hilly]

I’d be surprised if leave won again,there’s no one left in a strong political job that wanted to leave,they’ve all abandoned ship already. And are all crowing from the sidelines now.

We weren’t told it would be Armageddon for years to follow

Are countires out of the eu living Armageddon ? it will be Armageddon when it folds and we in it, better out now.

 

[Amcnab]

Are countires out of the eu living Armageddon ? it will be Armageddon when it folds and we in it, better out now.

Us in the Celtic country’s I’m afraid for,at least we get money from Europe now.dont think it bodes well for us outside of england

 

[Hilly]

Us in the Celtic country’s I’m afraid for,at least we get money from Europe now.dont think it bodes well for us outside of england

The money from eu is our money, we get back less than we give them why the hell would anyone want too be a member of a club like that .

 

[Danllan]

I’d be surprised if leave won again,there’s no one left in a strong political job that wanted to leave,they’ve all abandoned ship already. And are all crowing from the sidelines now.

We weren’t told it would be Armageddon for years to follow

We’re cutting away from our biggest customers

You're not wanting to answer my question then?

 

[Jackov Altraids]

More questions for the OP.....

1, What question and choices do you want on a second referendum?

2,Does the fact that getting a divorce is a shitty job mean people shouldn't get divorced?

3, People waited for 45 years to get another vote on EU membership. You feel that after 2 years we should have another vote before the last one has been implemented. When do you think a 3rd vote should be held?

4,If we were out and arguing about joining the EU, would you feel the same?

 

[graham99]

Id be confident leave would win by a greater margin.

no one wants to admit that the EU is failing

 

[bluegreen]

The EU is run by the old guards banking elite, May, Merkel and Macron are all part of that organisation. When you accept this then you understand why they do the things they are doing...……………..they are united against the wishes of the people. Globalism is their dream and our nightmare!!

 

[Jackov Altraids]

The EU is run by the old guards banking elite, May, Merkel and Macron are all part of that organisation. When you accept this then you understand why they do the things they are doing...……………..they are united against the wishes of the people. Globalism is their dream and our nightmare!!

Globalism helps those with money and power get more of each at the expense of the average tax payer. Most of recent economic growth only benefits the few at the top. Any decrease in growth due to us leaving the EU will affect the top who are trying to stop it but will have little affect on the average who voted for it.

 

[Ashtree]

The EU is run by the old guards banking elite, May, Merkel and Macron are all part of that organisation. When you accept this then you understand why they do the things they are doing...……………..they are united against the wishes of the people. Globalism is their dream and our nightmare!!

Tut, tut, ....., isn’t Brexit all about Global Britain, per the operating manual of the true Brexiteers.....

 

[manhill]

Why do members leaving a club expect to have a say in how the club is run afterwards?
Associate membership would mean adhering to the club's standards without a say in the rule making, why do we not get this?
In WTO we get a say in making rules don't we?

 

[Ramrod]

I don't know about others but I didn't vote for a deal.

Me neither, should have pulled up the drawbridge next morning.

 

[baabaa]

I voted leave as I wasn't overjoyed by the EU but the alternative has turned out to look a lot worse.

It has become apparent that after years of EU rule we don't have anybody at national level with either the confidence or ability to lead us. They would have come to the front by now and got on with the job if there was anybody. And do I want diverging standards from the EU? No. Do I want hassle and tariffs at the borders? No. Am I that bothered about East Europeans come here to do the stuff that the natives wont do? No, its a good thing actually.

So we might as well stay under EU rule.

What actual difference will it make to my everyday life anyway?

Brexit has turned out to be the biggest load of bollox there ever was.

Our membership of the EU is a bit like a marriage. Its not about happiness, its about duty. That's what the vicar told me anyway.

and they wonder why church attendance is falling

 

[Hindsight]

I voted leave as I wasn't overjoyed by the EU but the alternative has turned out to look a lot worse.

It has become apparent that after years of EU rule we don't have anybody at national level with either the confidence or ability to lead us. They would have come to the front by now and got on with the job if there was anybody. And do I want diverging standards from the EU? No. Do I want hassle and tariffs at the borders? No. Am I that bothered about East Europeans come here to do the stuff that the natives wont do? No, its a good thing actually.

So we might as well stay under EU rule.

What actual difference will it make to my everyday life anyway?

Brexit has turned out to be the biggest load of bollox there ever was.

Our membership of the EU is a bit like a marriage. Its not about happiness, its about duty. That's what the vicar told me anyway.

Many a marriage continues out of a sense of duty when the better option would be for both parties to accept the relationship has irrevocably broken down. To follow your analogy, the UK and EU have spent two and half years with a therapist. The House of Commons is still with Relate. I have seen friends carry on with unsatisfactory marriages. Hey ho.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Tut, tut, ....., isn’t Brexit all about Global Britain, per the operating manual of the true Brexiteers.....

The EEC was excellent at helping international economic cooperation.
The world has changed in the last 60 years and it is now possible to talk and trade with anyone, anywhere in the world instantly.
The EEC was formed for economic integration which has become increasingly unnecessary which is why it reformed itself into the political union which is the EU.
It will not be long before the politics of the EU will harm its economy or vice versa.
An independent UK can have the best of both and adapt to a fast changing world.

 

[Mac10]

I voted to leave expecting a clean break. Osborne et al told us a thousands times that leaving would involve quitting the single market, customs union etc.

I did, however, vote to leave expecting the result to be frustrated, and quelle surprise look what's happening.

 

[The Agrarian]

Those who have lamented here for months that remainers have done everything they could to thwart Brexit and set it up for another referendum, ignoring the will of the people, are being a touch naive.

In a narrow vote like this, there is no 'will of the people'. It's the job of those who believe in something, but don't have it, to eternally bang on about it in the hope that one day they get their break. These things are up for grabs, and have to be held on to if you have them. If you become resigned to the will of the people, you lose. That's why the IRA will eternally bang on about a United ireland. Sturgeon will continue to bang about independence. Tory eurosceptics banged on about the EU. Now remainers are banging on about - well, remaining. And demanding another vote. Not a big shock. No point in getting on the high horse about it. Everyone has a right to eternally bang on about their thing. It's how the world works. You just have to stand up and fight back.

 

[Hindsight]

Those who have lamented here for months that remainers have done everything they could to thwart Brexit and set it up for another referendum, ignoring the will of the people, are being a touch naive.

In a narrow vote like this, there is no 'will of the people'. It's the job of those who believe in something, but don't have it, to eternally bang on about it in the hope that one day they get their break. These things are up for grabs, and have to be held on to if you have them. If you become resigned to the will of the people, you lose. That's why the IRA will eternally bang on about a United ireland. Sturgeon will continue to bang about independence. Tory eurosceptics banged on about the EU. Now remainers are banging on about - well, remaining. And demanding another vote. Not a big shock. No point in getting on the high horse about it. Everyone has a right to eternally bang on about their thing. It's how the world works. You just have to stand up and fight back.

Concurr with your eloquent description of life! But we are now at the stage where a route has to me selected. And afraid no I do not have any bright ideas! I am, to use the analogy I have sued before several times on this forum 'a passenger sat in economy class at the back of the plane' I am reliant on the pilots and ground control for a safe landing! I hope though the fire crews are not on strike!!

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Those who have lamented here for months that remainers have done everything they could to thwart Brexit and set it up for another referendum, ignoring the will of the people, are being a touch naive.

In a narrow vote like this, there is no 'will of the people'. It's the job of those who believe in something, but don't have it, to eternally bang on about it in the hope that one day they get their break. These things are up for grabs, and have to be held on to if you have them. If you become resigned to the will of the people, you lose. That's why the IRA will eternally bang on about a United ireland. Sturgeon will continue to bang about independence. Tory eurosceptics banged on about the EU. Now remainers are banging on about - well, remaining. And demanding another vote. Not a big shock. No point in getting on the high horse about it. Everyone has a right to eternally bang on about their thing. It's how the world works. You just have to stand up and fight back.

Fair point.
But..... The deal on offer is the one that most people who didn't want to leave, wanted!
Most who wanted to leave want something 'harder'.
So the answer is to forget all about it and remain as we were.

The protests in France have nothing to do with the EU but how long will it be before they do happen due to sections of populations feel unfairly treated by diktats from Brussels. It is already quite a problem in Italy, Poland and Hungary.

Anyone thinking that just going back to how things were will mean a 'quiet life' are rather considerably mistaken.
Leaving with a risk of 6 months disruption at Dover is laughable compared to the possible bloodshed of extricating ourselves at some point in the future.