Post Brexit Meat Export

[Johnnyboxer]

Not a good result for UK farmers and meat exporters

EU retailers looking to source meat from within EU countries

Post-Brexit customs systems not fit for purpose, say meat exporters

Even experienced exporters are struggling with the system, says the British Meat Processor Association.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Breakthru]

EU commission always set to make everything as awkward as possible. Don't want Denmark etc to follow us. Time to take a little revenge. Take no beef from Ireland, listen to the squeals, and cut an immediate deal with Oz to take their beef to support them against Chinese bullying over Chin Flu.
Same for French wine Oz wine every bit as good.
Social media campaign all that is needed.

 

[Agrivator]

And expand our own flower industry so we are less reliant on imports from Holland and the rest of the world.

 

[Breakthru]

And expand our own flower industry so we are less reliant on imports from Holland and the rest of the world.

I agree the problem is labour. Being honest the ne'er do wells are better off on benefits than working for minimum wage in cold wet conditions.
The supermarkets need to pay more so the wages can rise and give people a decent return for hard cold wet work. Carrot and donkey that we all react to.
We need to give the supermarkets a minimum quota of home produced goods replacing what we import.

 

[tepapa]

Hold on lads, there's far to many sensible suggestions on this thread and it's only just started.
We need some remainers in quick to dampen the spirit and the mood. Need some more can't do attitude to fester in.

 

[neilo]

Hold on lads, there's far to many sensible suggestions on this thread and it's only just started.
We need some remainers in quick to dampen the spirit and the mood. Need some more can't do attitude to fester in.

Happy to oblige with @ dose of realism. What some see as common sense, others see as romanticised claptrap that isn’t going to happen in a month of Sundays.

Retailers aren’t ever going to be forced to increase prices in order to pay their suppliers more, as more expensive food would be a vote loser. They’re hardly likely to be forced to have a quota of home produced goods when even government departments don’t even favour tenders for local produce.

As for rebuilding our flower industry, I used to live next door to a successful garden centre. When they started they were growing their own, but changed to buying in shipments from Southern Italy as it was half the cost, for better plants. The climate meant they were growing several crops where one could be grown in the UK, all without putting expensive heating into the system.

We’ve only been into the new regime for a fortnight. There was always going to be disruption changing the system overnight and it’s far too early to be writing off trade with our nearest neighbours, however much that might be some proud Brexiteer’s utopia. Give it time, trade will find a way.

 

[Bald Rick]

Happy to oblige with @ dose of realism. What some see as common sense, others see as romanticised claptrap that isn’t going to happen in a month of Sundays.

Retailers aren’t ever going to be forced to increase prices in order to pay their suppliers more, as more expensive food would be a vote loser. They’re hardly likely to be forced to have a quota of home produced goods when even government departments don’t even favour tenders for local produce.

As for rebuilding our flower industry, I used to live next door to a successful garden centre. When they started they were growing their own, but changed to buying in shipments from Southern Italy as it was half the cost, for better plants. The climate meant they were growing several crops where one could be grown in the UK, all without putting expensive heating into the system.

We’ve only been into the new regime for a fortnight. There was always going to be disruption changing the system overnight and it’s far too early to be writing off trade with our nearest neighbours, however much that might be some proud Brexiteer’s utopia. Give it time, trade will find a way.

Pffft.
Climate change will give the U.K. world beating advantages in agriculture.
And to prove it, I am ordering pineapple seeds, banana saplings and flooding land for cranberries

 

[tepapa]

Happy to oblige with @ dose of realism. What some see as common sense, others see as romanticised claptrap that isn’t going to happen in a month of Sundays.

Retailers aren’t ever going to be forced to increase prices in order to pay their suppliers more, as more expensive food would be a vote loser. They’re hardly likely to be forced to have a quota of home produced goods when even government departments don’t even favour tenders for local produce.

As for rebuilding our flower industry, I used to live next door to a successful garden centre. When they started they were growing their own, but changed to buying in shipments from Southern Italy as it was half the cost, for better plants. The climate meant they were growing several crops where one could be grown in the UK, all without putting expensive heating into the system.

We’ve only been into the new regime for a fortnight. There was always going to be disruption changing the system overnight and it’s far too early to be writing off trade with our nearest neighbours, however much that might be some proud Brexiteer’s utopia. Give it time, trade will find a way.

You are correct with what you say but some should be reminded that we are no longer beholden to one controling super power and if we saw benefit to trade with other countries on mutual terms then we now have the ability.

 

[betweenthelines]

Of course the EU will look to their internal market first.

Just as the UK should.

By which I mean that UK beef producers/wholesalers should be looking at UK meat replacing imported eg Irish meat.

Lot's of publicity in the South West about fishermen struggling to export their catches, but no evidence that shops are stocking more UK fish.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Lot's of publicity in the South West about fishermen struggling to export their catches, but no evidence that shops are stocking more UK fish.

Nobody eats it here in uk

They wouldn’t know how to cook it, unless in batter

Europeans eat 2x more fish per capita than uk people

 

[Full of bull(s)]

Nobody eats it here in uk

They wouldn’t know how to cook it, unless in batter

Europeans eat 2x more fish per capita than uk people

When they are short of fish and the European public start to make noise these problems and hold ups with exporting it will disappear. Another viewpoint would be that just because you can catch all this fish doesn’t mean you have to. We have been raping the seas for years depleting stocks, quotas haven’t reduced the amount caught, only increased the amount thrown back in dead making things worse rather than better. A period of less fishing until the UK fleet builds up again might only be a good thing all round. The scarcer a product is the more valuable it gets as a luxury item.

 

[Bald Rick]

Nobody eats it here in uk

They wouldn’t know how to cook it, unless in batter

Europeans eat 2x more fish per capita than uk people

Bit in the Times today about the U.K.’s biggest fish and chip trawler - responsible for about 12% of all cod and haddock sold in British F&C shops - being stuck in port since December as the U.K. doesn’t have a deal with Norway to fish in their waters. As a result, we are now importing Norwegian cod to satisfy demand.
Hurrah. World beating

Brexit: Kirkella super trawler unable to fish since Brexit

The owners of the Kirkella warn the UK will be increasingly reliant on cod and haddock imports.

www.bbc.com

 

[neilo]

When they are short of fish and the European public start to make noise these problems and hold ups with exporting it will disappear. Another viewpoint would be that just because you can catch all this fish doesn’t mean you have to. We have been raping the seas for years depleting stocks, quotas haven’t reduced the amount caught, only increased the amount thrown back in dead making things worse rather than better. A period of less fishing until the UK fleet builds up again might only be a good thing all round. The scarcer a product is the more valuable it gets as a luxury item.

Much of UK fleet is supposedly moored up currently, due to exporting problems, never mind rebuilding it?

 

[Sid]

From what I understand any exports in the interim are being allowed through with some allowances for incorrect paperwork.

How long that will be allowed to continue is the question.

 

[Full of bull(s)]

Much of UK fleet is supposedly moored up currently, due to exporting problems, never mind rebuilding it?

So either the European mainland is being starved of fish which will soon change their attitude, or they are sourcing it from elsewhere in which case they didn’t need our waters anyway.

 

[neilo]

So either the European mainland is being starved of fish which will soon change their attitude, or they are sourcing it from elsewhere in which case they didn’t need our waters anyway.

They’re still fishing most of what they were in December, and selling it into EU markets which are deprived of UK landings.
EU fishermen will be wondering how to spend it all...

 

[Ashtree]

Not a good result for UK farmers and meat exporters

EU retailers looking to source meat from within EU countries

Post-Brexit customs systems not fit for purpose, say meat exporters

Even experienced exporters are struggling with the system, says the British Meat Processor Association.

www.bbc.co.uk

Right from day one, it was clear as day that the soft underbelly of leaving the customs union, would be around JIT supply chains. Thatcher like her or loath her, had her head screwed on when it came to the single market. She had the vision, as did her peers in Europe at the time. Quite simply, a magnificent methodology was developed within the EU, to form a huge single market, to match that of the USA. Just in time, dock to stock trade flows to and from anywhere in EU, in 24 to 36 hours.
The effects of slamming the door on the customs union, are now becoming clear. No amount of “getting better” at filling the forms will come remotely near the frictionless border concept.
It’s bloody tough on small to medium sized exporters, and no doubt many will fold up.

 

[JP1]

And expand our own flower industry so we are less reliant on imports from Holland and the rest of the world.

Have you seen the Dutch flower industry and been to Aalsmeer?

 

[Agrivator]

Have you seen the Dutch flower industry and been to Aalsmeer?

No. Tell us about it.

 

[JP1]

No. Tell us about it.

Totally integrated glasshouse industry

Aalsmeer market sell 30m blooms within 2 hours via (can't remember but) about 20 falling clock auctions

Blooms leave Schipol airport on scheduled flights Worldwide

80% of specialist flower delivery trucks of EU based in / around Venlo / Aalsmeer

UK starts dicking about with Christmas shutdowns and focus late November, the Dutch trucks still rolling off the ferry in to UK on Christmas Eve for the NY market

Dutch enterprise and know-how just building an 80 acre glasshouse on outskirts of Bury St Edmunds (peppers I believe this time) . The Lea Valley and Lower Roding Valley does have a glasshouse industry still (mainly family concerns of Italian descent) but they are a cottage industry compared with what the Dutch have in place

I don't mind being pro British and celebrating and encouraging success but sometimes I do worry about bland statements and the sheer lack of recognition for what folks are proposing