Prepare yourselves for

Discussion in 'Brexit & Politics' started by holywell farmer, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. Danllan

    Danllan Member

    Sir Gar / Carms
    I've enough family and friends in the Republic to have a fair bit of ken to history and so forth, and a mild interest in the politics and history, but an outsider can never really fully understand a foreign country and would be a fool to think he could.

    To quote the great Palmerston '...We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow...' Our interest is now toward self determination, once again, so we shall follow it. I disagree with your prognosis but, even if it were true, why should we be any less able than the Irish to recover from incompetent politicians? We'll be fine.

    I'm no apologist for the Empire, nothing lasts forever, everything changes, but I don't see us as needing to be a vassal state within the EU, and can not tolerate being so at the expense of our democracy. Fortunately a majority of my country men agreed in the referendum. Most people I know who voted to remain do not think we are being unreasonable in the current 'talks'.

    Again, I think we'll be fine, and I think you in Ireland will be likely to follow sooner or later. But, if I am wrong and @czechmate is right, you will have us back with our tale between our legs and over a barrel. You have told us before that you would be glad for us to do well, so it would seem that you are in the fortunate position of being in a 'win, win' situation: if we fail and slink back to the EU, your power-block will have us on its own terms and our money forever; and yet, if we succeed, you will applaud us, cheer us on, enjoy and, no doubt, share in our prosperity.

    @RagnarHairybreeks you write of the UK as it is, I have written of what we needs must become, don't fall for Remoaner doom and gloom stories, that seek to underestimate / undersell this country. Explain to me what is inherent in us, as a people, that means we can't once again make our own laws, lead the world in innovation and set ourselves up as a preeminent international trader. We did it all before, we effectively invented it all; what's wrong with us now? Have some faith in your own people.
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  2. Did you like the paper I sent you that one with?:D
  3. Danllan

    Danllan Member

    Sir Gar / Carms
    Generally, I prefer gifts to be surprises...
  4. He will wreck the uk
  5. I myself have followed politics since 2000' it's dirty and unpredictable business to say the least

  6. Farage already has:(
  7. Danllan

    Danllan Member

    Sir Gar / Carms
    The opinion of many people, but a minority.
  8. I don't think he has done any damage

  9. I would think it highly unlikely we will both be writing on this forum in circa 8 years time but if we are it will be interesting to reflect upon that; imo uk will be crumbling :(
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  10. Let's hope future be ok
  11. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    ZumerZet Somerset
    There is a fare bit of erosion along the South coast but I don't think structural stability of the UK as a whole is at risk
    How are things over there

  12. Well it's your thread and you recon JC is your next pm:banghead:
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  13. We are well over 100 miles from the coast and we haven't made it over there to see it yet
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  14. Jackov Altraids

    Prepare yourselves for.... absolutely anything.

    In the next 5 years, politically, anything is possible.
    I don't think that a Corbyn government would be a problem other than it would be considerably more divided than the present one, before or after Brexit.

    What we should be all preparing for is a no deal.

    Paradoxically, I think the best chance of getting a deal is to walk away now. Being held to ransom on starting discussions about future trade is simply not going to leave time for a deal.
    If we put the ball in their court and said we are planning for no deal but if you come up with something favourable, we will vote on it and give you the X billion you want, they might just be more forthcoming.
    As it is, there is just an argument about a 'meaningful vote'. What actual options could there possibly be to vote on?

    Is not leaving possible?
    Is renegotiating the deal possible?
    In all likelihood, it could only be deal, or no deal.

    The only argument for not preparing to leave with no deal now, is political, not logical.
  15. Billhook

    Billhook Member

    You might just like to peruse this list of the top economies of the World where you will find the UK is fifth with a GDP the same as Russia and South Korea combined.
  16. RagnarHairybreeks

    Success and GDP are not inextricably linked. For example 10% directly of our income is from the City of London (under threat) and another big chunk is North Sea oil (running out).

    We've got very little in the way of natural resources, manufacturing is at an almost all time low (and most of what is left is owned by overseas companies, usually with huge tax breaks as it puts employment in place in areas that need it). Farming can't apparently survive without subsidies and we import a hell of a lot more than we export. Where is the wealth creation?

    Not trying to cast a huge downer on all this, just really can't understand where all the optimism is coming from.
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  17. Ashtree

    Ashtree Member

    Boris Johnson says UK can have a trade deal with Pakistan. #outnow
  18. Let's hope hedoesn't win then
  19. bobk

    bobk Member

    We are , and it's the best solution .
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  20. That's not saying much. All options now are crap
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