Prorogation time.....

[JCMaloney]

Proper use of language....

 

[Derrick Hughes]

The day Downing Street said "up yours" to remainers ,
And the queen backed them
It's a wonderful day to be British

 

[Farmer1001]

You are assuming there will be no deal.

In which case you are assuming 17 million would vote for "the" deal before we even know what "a deal" may be.

 

[Highland Mule]

A poor analogy, because your 'bridge', or whatever, isn't dependent upon the good will or the honesty of the ground on one side (or both) of its span. Anyway, I did know what I was voting for, it was to leave the European Union.

I’d like to explore the analogy more, because I think it’s better than you give it credit.

You’re happy with the concept for the bridge and are happy for it to be built regardless? Great, because I have a super designer from Tacoma who’s prepared to do that part very cheaply, and we have a load of cheap concrete left over from a job in Morandi. The bridge was supposed to be 100m long, as that’s how wide the river is, but it turns out we can only manage 80m so there will be a bit of a gap in the middle.

Still want that bridge whatever, or would you rather we were honest enough to go back and confirm that you’re not getting what was in the salesman’s pitch?

Tacoma Narrows Bridge
https://g.co/kgs/TpEj7P

Morandi Bridge collapse
https://g.co/kgs/Lk6S4m

 

[Farmer1001]

Whichever way you look at today, this is ultimately a sad day and possibly a dangerous day. What happens if Corbyn came to power and couldn't get parliamentary backing for some serious hard left labour policy and then found a way to bypass parliament to get them through? Who would be rejoicing amongst us then? This is not about Brexit, democracy or the people and most certainly not a day to be proud of what our government are doing.

 

[Danllan]

In which case you are assuming 17 million would vote for "the" deal before we even know what "a deal" may be.

I presume that people know there own minds and are capable of making judgements based upon the facts before them; in this case that would mean that I am presuming that when people voted to leave the EU, leaving the EU was what they wanted and intended.

I’d like to explore the analogy more, because I think it’s better than you give it credit...

I wouldn't and don't, because it's rather tedious and entirely disingenuous trying to relate a process fundamentally based upon human feeling with one based on physics. The bridge does not have to cope with a 'Chief Engineer' deliberately trying to undermine it's being built, conniving with saboteurs and claiming to follow one plan while actually following another.

Whichever way you look at today, this is ultimately a sad day and possibly a dangerous day. What happens if Corbyn came to power and couldn't get parliamentary backing for some serious hard left labour policy and then found a way to bypass parliament to get them through? Who would be rejoicing amongst us then? This is not about Brexit, democracy or the people and most certainly not a day to be proud of what our government are doing.

I agree with the late Tony Benn and the late Enoch Powell, both of them claimed that the people and not Parliament are sovereign. So, I side with the people rather than with the liars and hypocrites in Parliament and support the Government in this matter.

You are just whining because things aren't going your way, and are trying to paint it as some sort of constitutional crisis to give your moaning some gravitas. You'll have to point me toward your earlier posts decrying the actions of Monsieur Grieve and the Tiggers for not standing by their electoral promises and betraying the trust placed in them by their constituents. I don't recall coming across them...

 

[czechmate]

Lord be praised, a man with some balls in charge

Danllan liking a religious post. Whatever next?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

In which case you are assuming 17 million would vote for "the" deal before we even know what "a deal" may be.

The deal is no deal
That's what I voted for
Same as when you order vanilla ice cream. Wouod you be happy with half and half
Clean break Is clean break

 

[Danllan]

Danllan liking a religious post. Whatever next?

The sentiment, not the superstitiousness; I've seen you like some common-sense posts, so 'miracles' can happen...

 

[Werzle]

Whichever way you look at today, this is ultimately a sad day and possibly a dangerous day. What happens if Corbyn came to power and couldn't get parliamentary backing for some serious hard left labour policy and then found a way to bypass parliament to get them through? Who would be rejoicing amongst us then? This is not about Brexit, democracy or the people and most certainly not a day to be proud of what our government are doing.

Sad because remainers wouldnt respect democracy and forced the pm's hand yes. Corbyn is dangerous for the uk's safety and will never be pm of this great country

 

[Farmer1001]

Sad because remainers wouldnt respect democracy and forced the pm's hand yes. Corbyn is dangerous for the uk's safety and will never be pm of this great country

The fact we have not left is as much to do with leavers as remainers; the simple fact that Boris and gang voted against May twice allowed remainers to do the same, indeed the ERG counted on remainers voting against Mays deal so as to ensure it failed, then at the third attempt when Boris and Mogg etc decided they best support May it was too late. I agree re JC.

 

[Farmer1001]

The deal is no deal
That's what I voted for

Really? Not sure 17 million voted for the "No Deal Deal".

 

[Werzle]

The fact we have not left is as much to do with leavers as remainers; the simple fact that Boris and gang voted against May twice allowed remainers to do the same, indeed the ERG counted on remainers voting against Mays deal so as to ensure it failed, then at the third attempt when Boris and Mogg etc decided they best support May it was too late. I agree re JC.

Mays deal was shite but some voted for it in desperation when it looked like it was her deal or stopping in the eu. Its all been talked to death

 

[rob1]

The fact we have not left is as much to do with leavers as remainers; the simple fact that Boris and gang voted against May twice allowed remainers to do the same, indeed the ERG counted on remainers voting against Mays deal so as to ensure it failed, then at the third attempt when Boris and Mogg etc decided they best support May it was too late. I agree re JC.

I think that the only thing that has a majority is thats Mays deal was sh!t, the remainers hated it because it meant we were sort of leaving, leavers hated it because we were sort of not leaving. A fudge that the EU would be very proud of and must have had a right laugh over when TM agreed with it or helped them with it, thank goodness for BJ, he might come across as a bit of a clown but he is acting with decisiveness after three years of muddle, good on him, if as I believe brexit will be a success he wil go down in history as the new Churchill

 

[czechmate]

The sentiment, not the superstitiousness; I've seen you like some common-sense posts, so 'miracles' can happen...

And now religious posts.
She we be worried about you? Maybe the heat?

 

[Farmer1001]

You are just whining because things aren't going your way, and are trying to paint it as some sort of constitutional crisis to give your moaning some gravitas. You'll have to point me toward your earlier posts decrying the actions of Monsieur Grieve and the Tiggers for not standing by their electoral promises and betraying the trust placed in them by their constituents. I don't recall coming across them...

You would be the first to be spitting feathers if Boris was using this tactic to cancel Brexit to avoid a No Deal crash out - as would I. As for going my way? I voted remain, leave "won" and whilst I dont agree with it, I certainly wont deny you the right to your trophy - end of. Im in that comfortable position of not being responsible for the creating of this mess, not having to justify my vote or trying hard to get a 2nd ref so I can change my mind. Ive had the pleasure of the past 3 years watching leavers argue amongst themselves because its not going "their" way. Brexit so far is a disaster and I trust our esteemed leaders to make a hash of our post Brexit era, but Im ready for it and willing to capitalise on all the Brexit goodies that come my way via deal, no deal, any old deal. But I maintain my point that its a bad day for the country when Uk Gov suspends parliament so as to get its own way - and that would apply to any policy, not just Brexit.

 

[Farmer1001]

I think that the only thing that has a majority is thats Mays deal was sh!t, the remainers hated it because it meant we were sort of leaving, leavers hated it because we were sort of not leaving. A fudge that the EU would be very proud of and must have had a right laugh over when TM agreed with it or helped them with it, thank goodness for BJ, he might come across as a bit of a clown but he is acting with decisiveness after three years of muddle, good on him, if as I believe brexit will be a success he wil go down in history as the new Churchill

I agree with you about Mays deal, but what if Boris had got it through at the third attempt, he tried and failed yet you heap him in high praise despite his efforts to shaft you.

 

[rob1]

I agree with you about Mays deal, but what if Boris had got it through at the third attempt, he tried and failed yet you heap him in high praise despite his efforts to shaft you.

Why is he trying to shaft me ? Perhaps he and the others decided that her deal was better than staying which they feared would be the next step for May, perhaps they thought it was possible to remove the backstop at a later stage, I guess in time their change of mind about voting on her deal will come to light

 

[FlyBy]

The deal is no deal
That's what I voted for
Same as when you order vanilla ice cream. Wouod you be happy with half and half
Clean break Is clean break

That’s funny, considering basically no-one on the Leave campaign supported a no-deal Brexit before the referendum, certainly not Boris Johnson.

 

[Martin Holden]

Whichever way you look at today, this is ultimately a sad day and possibly a dangerous day. What happens if Corbyn came to power and couldn't get parliamentary backing for some serious hard left labour policy and then found a way to bypass parliament to get them through? Who would be rejoicing amongst us then? This is not about Brexit, democracy or the people and most certainly not a day to be proud of what our government are doing.

It’s a mess alright. I was initially against an election but frankly spoken the only way to get a clear perspective is for an election (voting should be mandatory IMHO) so each party can and must provide a clear view on what their position is precisely. I bet this would be an interesting result! What’s the betting that the EU don’t budge an inch so effectively we are out on 31/10/19 but before this date an election is announced so the EU wait to see what an election result would produce. The UK was never going to get a perfect deal from the EU; they haven’t seen eye to eye with us over the development during the past 20 plus odd years so this whole debacle could potentially be a seismic moment in Europe’s history. What would those MP’s trying to stop Brexit and the EU do if an administration won a mandate to leave no ifs and buts? Would the EU say that all of us are misguided not just Parliament. Put the decision back to the people, but by election, not referendum!