Prospects for UK beef post-Brexit?

[jackrussell101]

What will the prospects for British beef be now we're leaving the EU?

I assume we will be free to start selling more of it to other countries around the world whilst still exporting it into Europe under this new trade deal, which has to be positive.

But on the negative side, will the UK government now be able to import cheaper beef from South America or the USA?

Presumably with this new UK-EU trade deal and the ''rules of origin'' it encompasses, UK food manufacturers will still have to buy British beef, if they are making supermarket ready meals for example, and hope to supply/sell it into the EU, thus to avoid South American or USA beef coming into Europe through the 'back door'?

Also, surely with the whole ethos of the environment and climate change, especially here in the UK, would the UK government seriously buy beef from Brazil that has been produced by raping the Amazonian rainforest as opposed to British grass fed beef that will be close to being carbon zero or even less?

 

[Hilly]

I’ve no idea but shifting food around the world that can be produced on your door step has to stop surely .

 

[jackrussell101]

Global cattle prices | AHDB

Comparison of farmgate cattle prices from around the world.

ahdb.org.uk

On analysing world beef prices, it seems South American farmers are the only country that receive very low beef prices and can survive at them.

I was lucky enough to visit South Africa last year and visited several (some very large) beef farms, and on asking the South African farmers about the deadweight prices they received for their animals, it seemed they were identical to ours here in the UK, with them stating that there wasn't much margin in it for them at their current prices.

So perhaps we are fairly efficient in this country even though we operate at much higher standards and are smaller scale?

 

[Hilly]

Global cattle prices | AHDB

Comparison of farmgate cattle prices from around the world.

ahdb.org.uk

On analysing world beef prices, it seems South American farmers are the only country that receive very low beef prices and can survive at them.

I was lucky enough to visit South Africa last year and visited several (some very large) beef farms, and on asking the South African farmers about the deadweight prices they received for their animals, it seemed they were identical to ours here in the UK, with them stating that there wasn't much margin in it for them at their current prices.

So perhaps we are fairly efficient in this country even though we operate at much higher standards and are smaller scale?

I was watching store cattle getting sold in America and they were making more than our per pound .

 

[Hilly]

Global cattle prices | AHDB

Comparison of farmgate cattle prices from around the world.

ahdb.org.uk

On analysing world beef prices, it seems South American farmers are the only country that receive very low beef prices and can survive at them.

I was lucky enough to visit South Africa last year and visited several (some very large) beef farms, and on asking the South African farmers about the deadweight prices they received for their animals, it seemed they were identical to ours here in the UK, with them stating that there wasn't much margin in it for them at their current prices.

So perhaps we are fairly efficient in this country even though we operate at much higher standards and are smaller scale?

Our smaller scale gives us advantage , unpaid family labour , sad but true, once you get into employing you loose huge advantage, in theory the most efficaint should be big family’s but they fall out and self destruct .

 

[roscoe erf]

are good

 

[Hilly]

are good

I hope so, but I can’t see it been anything other than it’s been really, everytime prices rise costs soon follow margins are never cut much slack ever .

 

[jackrussell101]

are good

Why do you think so?

Not disagreeing at all just interested to hear peoples reasoning.

 

[capfits]

Our smaller scale gives us advantage , unpaid family labour , sad but true, once you get into employing you loose huge advantage, in theory the most efficaint should be big family’s but they fall out and self destruct .

Nothing efficient about being unpaid, it is simply papering over the cracks for a few years or until the next generation thinks rightly "bugger this"

As for our prospects well processing is very important, but provenance and marketing along with efficiency will make the margins that will help many.

 

[Hilly]

Nothing efficient about being unpaid, it is simply papering over the cracks for a few years or until the next generation thinks rightly "bugger this"

As for our prospects well processing is very important, but provenance and marketing along with efficiency will make the margins that will help many.

It’s all depends on what way you look at the job .

 

[topground]

Is it the case that farmers like to spend what they have and the supply chain reacts accordingly,? if there is no or less demand prices for inputs would fall. Perhaps we should all lock the cheque book away if beef prices rise if inputs rise in response other than for absolute essentials and see what happens.
Trouble is one mans luxury is another mans essential.

 

[Hilly]

Is it the case that farmers like to spend what they have and the supply chain reacts accordingly,? if there is no or less demand prices for inputs would fall. Perhaps we should all lock the cheque book away if beef prices rise if inputs rise in response other than for absolute essentials and see what happens.
Trouble is one mans luxury is another mans essential.

Yes but soon as it rises we all want to keep more buy more straw build another shed or what ever etc etc

 

[jackrussell101]

Some useful information here, albeit it is out of date.

It sounds good that we will have more opportunities to sell the cheaper cuts like offal and such like to Asia and Africa.

View attachment BLBitesize_190219_WEB.pdf

 

[Chae1]

Not Brexit related but the 0% VAT rule for beef finishers ends on the 31st December.

This could affect store prices.

 

[always busy]

Not Brexit related but the 0% VAT rule for beef finishers ends on the 31st December.

This could affect store prices.

About time that stupid carry on comes too an end.

 

[M-J-G]

I was watching store cattle getting sold in America and they were making more than our per pound .

I've seen that too from friends on FB

 

[john432]

Dunbia,DawnPack ? Or whoever operates the ex Oriel Jones abattoir in Llanybydder are putting in a cattle killing line. To be up and running in the summer. Good news for beef producers in South West Wales, and shows confidence in the future, or Brexit related?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Be a lot more going to their local buchers/ farm shop for a Turk next year [emoji22]

 

[capfits]

It’s all depends on what way you look at the job .

No, it is how the unpaid labour looks at the "job."
Got kids?

 

[Hilly]

No, it is how the unpaid labour looks at the "job."
Got kids?

Yes and they both happy to help in spare time for free what’s wrong with that ? I did .