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Protest vote backfired?
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I don't think Cameron every had any other choice and if the vote was out he was going to go. I have a lot of respect for him for doing it
at the moment we get the MP that gets the most votes any other system that don't happen, I like it how it is but wouldn't have an objection to having extra MPs [perhaps regional] that were elected by PR
Danllan
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Have been distracted by work, so only just noticed this thread...
My vote was not a protest in the way the original poster implies, certainly I have complained about and protested against the EU and our membership of it. But my vote was made after having considered the matter for many years and the consequences, short term bad but long term good, for the country. The markets and currency speculators certainly had a shock and reacted as one would expect - as mentioned by someone earlier, they make their livings from uncertainty. But already the FTSE and the pound are more stable and have recovered ground following the initial shock. The Treasury and Bank of England have reserves and plans ready, this is what we expected to happen, it is happening and it will stop.
The side effects of the vote will be manifold, not least will be the forcing of 'elite' politicians to understand that the same thing could happen again in a general election. No sane person wants to see extreme parties prosper here in the UK, and this vote makes that far less likely since the main parties must now follow their voters' preferences rather than impose what 'they know is best.'
If they don't there will be a surge to UKIP, not necessarily a good thing - despite my support for them - and that would mean a probably demand for PR, a good thing in my view.
My vote was not a protest in the way the original poster implies, certainly I have complained about and protested against the EU and our membership of it. But my vote was made after having considered the matter for many years and the consequences, short term bad but long term good, for the country. The markets and currency speculators certainly had a shock and reacted as one would expect - as mentioned by someone earlier, they make their livings from uncertainty. But already the FTSE and the pound are more stable and have recovered ground following the initial shock. The Treasury and Bank of England have reserves and plans ready, this is what we expected to happen, it is happening and it will stop.
The side effects of the vote will be manifold, not least will be the forcing of 'elite' politicians to understand that the same thing could happen again in a general election. No sane person wants to see extreme parties prosper here in the UK, and this vote makes that far less likely since the main parties must now follow their voters' preferences rather than impose what 'they know is best.'
If they don't there will be a surge to UKIP, not necessarily a good thing - despite my support for them - and that would mean a probably demand for PR, a good thing in my view.
As soon as DC doesn't get his own way he's out.The man should have said I am PM of a great country I may not agree with the vote BUT it is what the people have voted for that would have shown great leadership and a willingness to listen to the public.
I voted out and still would.
You only have to listen and see the body language of the EU its total power they want ,and to say we will make it hard for Britain so no on e else can leave says it all.
EU is a money pit too many on the gravy train in high office,the small amount of money been handed out is pocket money to them to please the workers.
Biggest expense to change all the flags and paper work to 27
I voted out and still would.
You only have to listen and see the body language of the EU its total power they want ,and to say we will make it hard for Britain so no on e else can leave says it all.
EU is a money pit too many on the gravy train in high office,the small amount of money been handed out is pocket money to them to please the workers.
Biggest expense to change all the flags and paper work to 27
BLG
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A few thoughts from the other side of the world;
Like most over here I didn't take much notice of Brexit till the last few days because I didn't really believe there would be a change so now it has happened why are a whole lot of people Googling "what is the EU?" after they voted?
Now that you have exited are you going to get closer to the Commonwealth or look elsewhere? i.e. are you you going to stop our lamb imports especially if the EU stops your exports?
Now that Cameron is resigning are we going to end up with Boris and Trump running the world? God forbid!
Has UK ever negotiated a FreeTrade agreement with another country? Welcome to another world. It's not easy. Come to us for advice!
As someone who lived in Europe through the 90s when everyone in the EU opened their borders except GB I should understand your independence but I still wonder what the hell you were thinking when you voted out. To me it seemed you were on a good thing having free border less trade to all the millions in the EU.
I wish you all the best.
Like most over here I didn't take much notice of Brexit till the last few days because I didn't really believe there would be a change so now it has happened why are a whole lot of people Googling "what is the EU?" after they voted?
Now that you have exited are you going to get closer to the Commonwealth or look elsewhere? i.e. are you you going to stop our lamb imports especially if the EU stops your exports?
Now that Cameron is resigning are we going to end up with Boris and Trump running the world? God forbid!
Has UK ever negotiated a FreeTrade agreement with another country? Welcome to another world. It's not easy. Come to us for advice!
As someone who lived in Europe through the 90s when everyone in the EU opened their borders except GB I should understand your independence but I still wonder what the hell you were thinking when you voted out. To me it seemed you were on a good thing having free border less trade to all the millions in the EU.
I wish you all the best.
Danllan
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No, he talked down and belittled his own country again and again.
Yes, many, for centuries even before we invented New Zealand! But, nonetheless, all constructive advice will be gratefully received. Of course, at first, it won't always be easy away from the EU, but it shouldn't be easy, a country should stand on its own two feet and should not rely on hand-outs etc. from others (known as 'European Solidarity' in EU speak). But it will, in all likelihood be a little easier for the UK than for New Zealand simply due to our economic size.
(By the way, many of us are still disgusted with what the Heath & Wilson mis-governments did to NZ in our name)
I'm amazed by that .............. it's not the view I'm currently receiving from Europe for the organisations i have links with ...............
Already talked to a couple of neighbours who regret their leave vote. One said he voted out because the milk price was low - pointed out he was getting 43p/litre two years ago, in the EU. The other was frustrated that he had to make such a complex decision, saying that it was the govt's job to make decisions like this. Must have chosen by eeny meeny miny mo I think! Now their worried about their BPS!
Many have been worried about BPS regardless of the vote. Mine's not a huge amount and I'll gladly give it up if it means my kids grow in a free and independent Britain.
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Europe needed to be pegged down a bit but they wouldn't give Cameron anything in the renegotiation and they certainly won't make things easy for whoever has to negotiate exit terms. If they made it easy for us to leave there would be another four or five countries leaving straight behind us.
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Y Fan Wen
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DC didn't say he would hand over in October. He said he would 'by' October, a big difference.
It all depends on how quickly the party gets the process done.
It all depends on how quickly the party gets the process done.
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American I spoke with this morning on Skype couldn't believe the vote.
His thinking is that above all the countries in the EU, the Brits have a super position. The single market, their rebate, outside Shengen, opt out from some of the more daft EU rules on working time, massive financial service industry tied to the Euro AND their own currency!!!!! In his words "stuupid"
His thinking is that above all the countries in the EU, the Brits have a super position. The single market, their rebate, outside Shengen, opt out from some of the more daft EU rules on working time, massive financial service industry tied to the Euro AND their own currency!!!!! In his words "stuupid"
caveman
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It's good to have half a million customers.................If they have enough money to buy your goods.
Y Fan Wen
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I've just read a phrase that tickled me;
'BoJo and his wrecking crew'.
'BoJo and his wrecking crew'.