PurchasingFord 4000 or similar H.P,advice rqd

[multi power]

Thought fergy used the same gearbox and diff housing from 135 to 1080?

they hardly changed from a 35 in late 50s right up to a 399 in the 90s , i would nt know about a 1080, they werea bit of an odd ball, made in france i think, all the banner lane stuff was excellent

 

[multi power]

MP thought the 135 was 47hp, noooooooo, the 148 was a massive 47.5 hp and needed thicker half shafts and stronger diff and casings to handle the extra 2hp over the little 135.

late model 135s were 47hp n 148 used the same engine, however the 148 had different gearing to allow for the larger wheels, i think 148 had dry disc brakes same as 65

 

[joe soapy]

late model 135s were 47hp n 148 used the same engine, however the 148 had different gearing to allow for the larger wheels, i think 148 had dry disc brakes same as 65

148 had wet brakes i think, basicaly a 35 engine and 165 rear +a 6 inch spacer.
quite clever to put a speed increaser in front of box and reducers on the axels.
this did spoil 1 feature , ie, the ability to put into first gear without using the clutch

 

[multi power]

148 had wet brakes i think, basicaly a 35 engine and 165 rear +a 6 inch spacer.
quite clever to put a speed increaser in front of box and reducers on the axels.
this did spoil 1 feature , ie, the ability to put into first gear without using the clutch

yes you are quite correct wet brakes on 148, independant pto too i think, definetly on later models

 

[joe soapy]

yes you are quite correct wet brakes on 148, independant pto too i think, definetly on later models

plus other subtle changes in 1974
canister oil filter, access plate for strainer, longer pto shaft
and worst change, losing ground drive
an 8 speed box in there at some time

 

[multi power]

plus other subtle changes in 1974
canister oil filter, access plate for strainer, longer pto shaft
and worst change, losing ground drive
an 8 speed box in there at some time

what was the reason, or benifet of the longer shaft? as for the ground drive, a great idea, but i have never seen it used

 

[superspec]

148 has the same brakes as a 135, But I think the crown wheel and pinion were the same as the 4 cylinder 100 series models

 

[multi power]

148 has the same brakes as a 135, But I think the crown wheel and pinion were the same as the 4 cylinder 100 series models

when did massey start with the wet brakes?

 

[superspec]

when did massey start with the wet brakes?

First tractor was 185 in approx. 1971, I would guess the first 3 cylinder with them would be a MF250, the 550 were dry drum like 135

 

[joe soapy]

when did massey start with the wet brakes?

Ha, thats easy, twas about 3 weeks after a top massey engineer was put on grain hauling down plymbridge hill.
after 3rd load he had to change trousers and hose down tractor seat before driving back to banner lane

 

[multi power]

First tractor was 185 in approx. 1971, I would guess the first 3 cylinder with them would be a MF250, the 550 were dry drum like 135

yes every 550 i have seen is dry brakes, but i dont know when prouduction started or ended, my r reg 1200 has wet brakes

 

[joe soapy]

yes you are quite correct wet brakes on 148, independant pto too i think, definetly on later models

On reflection i think we may be both wrong, mightbe mixed up with one i saw in france

 

[superspec]

French 100 series tractors open up a whole can of worms. Square axles but dry brakes

 

[multi power]

French 100 series tractors open up a whole can of worms. Square axles but dry brakes

unbeliveble the export tractors i saw being built in banner lane, all kinds of weird n strange specs

 

[joe soapy]

Rural myth has it that banner lane received a crownwheel cutting machine from Germany under war reparations
and this was the size limiting factor with MF tractors ever since for banner lane production.

Another plausible myth is that harry fergy's 20 was the main factor in UK having small farms, and a big step back from the steam tackle days for large farms

 

[multi power]

Rural myth has it that banner lane received a crownwheel cutting machine from Germany under war reparations
and this was the size limiting factor with MF tractors ever since for banner lane production.

Another plausible myth is that harry fergy's 20 was the main factor in UK having small farms, and a big step back from the steam tackle days for large farms

but was it not true that the grey fergie could outpeform tractors nearly twice its size, mainly due to the hydrulics n also the fact it was so nimble

 

[joe soapy]

but was it not true that the grey fergie could outpeform tractors nearly twice its size, mainly due to the hydrulics n also the fact it was so nimble

That and the fact that it could use existing adapted horse implements

 

[multi power]

That and the fact that it could use existing adapted horse implements

well i never seen any horse impliments that would have suited 3 point linkage

 

[joe soapy]

You surely dont think that when a fergy first appeared on a farm a full range of new implements came with it?
Lots of places a linkbox would be the first priorty, used for everything, from taking mother to market, carrying milk churns to the stand. Everyday life on a small livestock farm would involve the linkbox at nearly every stage on a farm owning a 20.
A belt pulley would be another essential bit.
fergy was quite clever in making many bits that were specific to the 20, and wouldent fit anything else.
and only 1 spanner needed, a big one end and a small one other end with a inch ruler cast in.
ally bonnets and cast ally or magnesium ? castings

Things go round , twas funny to see at the royal an area displaying horse drawn adaptors for 3 point linkeage implements.
And now the gators and mules are becoming the new 20 and linkbox replacement

 

[John 1594]

You surely dont think that when a fergy first appeared on a farm a full range of new implements came with it?
Lots of places a linkbox would be the first priorty, used for everything, from taking mother to market, carrying milk churns to the stand. Everyday life on a small livestock farm would involve the linkbox at nearly every stage on a farm owning a 20.
A belt pulley would be another essential bit.
fergy was quite clever in making many bits that were specific to the 20, and wouldent fit anything else.
and only 1 spanner needed, a big one end and a small one other end with a inch ruler cast in.
ally bonnets and cast ally or magnesium ? castings

Things go round , twas funny to see at the royal an area displaying horse drawn adaptors for 3 point linkeage implements.
And now the gators and mules are becoming the new 20 and linkbox replacement

thing was, the fergy didnt have enough built in weight to drag either converted horsedrawn equipment, or implements designed for fordson N's and the like

thats why most farms what bought a fergy still had an older bigger (usually an E27N or similar) tractor capable of lugging the things about what the fergy couldnt cope with

and as for ferguson building pto driven equipment with an 1.1/8th shaft, when everyone else had standardised on 1.3/8th...where was the sense in that

yes ferguson may have ben a genuis in some instances, but in many others he was adamant that everyone else should adapt to his way of thinking. Take the ill fated TE60, it had so many design limititaions that once the americans at MH see the designs, they binned it and started afresh....