Stirling i don't keep blackiesBlackie sale at Tavistock?
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Stirling i don't keep blackiesBlackie sale at Tavistock?
Sorry was replying to @egbertStirling i don't keep blackies
I am wet. I have upped the number need more tups. I am looking to expand the number next two years by keeping replacement. I mostly have cross ewes cheviot /mules after two years go back to terminal for finishing lambs.300 is a grown up bunch of sheep, so borrowing a lamb/oldie off a mate is hardly you.
(and your business should warrant some attention to detail.)
Commercial suggests non-pedigree/purebred, clay with moss sounds wet?
Are you buying in ewes or keeping your own replacements?
If you're just shopping for rams as you need them, to sire fat/store lambs, then breed is secondary to shape/growth/ease of management.
Sounds like you're in't north/over the border, where seemingly the presumption is that a ram fit for purpose should cost many hundreds if not thousands.
This is evident hooey, as unless you're determined to go for genetic improvement, you would be far better off buying one or two that exactly fit your bill, keep some ewes of suitable stature, and keeping entire sons thereof.
They'll cost you a fat lamb price each, will almost certainly perform as well as something raised and fed by a 'ram breeder', and will quite possibly recoup that when you've used them.
We would (almost) all be better off like that if the truth were known!
(says a man whose boy slipped off to a tup sale this morning with the brief that 'we've probably got enough, but you can spend £200-300 if you fancy summat')
I think I was once told ten fat lambs but it might not have been ten or it might have been bulls and store bullocks. Personally I've never quite paid that for a Texel and only occasionally needed to go over that for an NCC for breeding replacements.New thread please!!
How much is too much to pay for a ram only to produce prime lambs
I think I was once told ten fat lambs but it might not have been ten or it might have been bulls and store bullocks. Personally I've never quite paid that for a Texel and only occasionally needed to go over that for an NCC for breeding replacements.
Read post number 4 from @andybk on the ram cost per lamb reared.
Tells you all you need to know about how much is too much.
I'm heading the same way I think. Haven't bought any new blood this year.But as I am now buying less rams and breeding more of my own. I feel my budget will go upwards to try and breed better (selling better surplus rams to fund the better purchase)
It's quite simple, you adjust the number of lambs to spread the cost over. As he explains in post 4.They are very simple maths which don't work in the real world.
Hell of a lot of very expensive tups don't see their 2nd or 3rd birthday... they don't sire the 375 lambs or get a return as cull
It's quite simple, you adjust the number of lambs to spread the cost over. As he explains in post 4.
I reckon it is. Because if you know how much your end lamb is worth and how much your ram adds to each of those lambs (say £5), then he only needs to tup 98 lambs to allow for £10 knacker fees (for a £500 shearling say).
Beyond that is too much in that he has cost more than he's added value.
It's obvious that you don't know how many lambs if any, your new ram is going to sire, so there is no definite answer to the question, unless the ram breeder offers a discount for early mortality. But Andy's formula is as good a way as any to work out what might happen given any number of variables.
And those maths work out every single time in the real world.
yup.Blackie sale at Tavistock?
well there's a result right there!I once sold a tup that wasn't working in the fat ring. That evening I met the cashier from the market who told me that Mr X who was well known for being miserable had been in the office to pay for the tup. That weekend at a farm sale Mr X asked me why I was selling such a good tup in the fat ring. I told him it was the poorest tup I had and was left on it's own after the rest had been put out so I just sold it fat .
It was year's before he spoke to me again.
As for how much is to much?
If the cheque bounce it was to much.
A good days shopping then. What was trade like in general?yup.
He came home with a 2t of Dave Legassicks breeding for £250
By local standards, a very good flock to buy from............his ewes live on very wet ground, are tough as old boots, and very sound.
(there'll be no figures recorded, or ought like that.....but I know the flock, and trust the man)
I'm happy to have such a creature on the reserves bench at that money.A good days shopping then. What was trade like in general?
My grandfather was once accosted by someone he didn't recognize complaining that a tup he'd bought hadn't bred well. On further investigation it transpired he'd been bought out of the fat ring at Paisley obviously having been rejected for some reason. For a good few years afterwards any reject tup lambs were introduced to the burdizzos before going to the market!I once sold a tup that wasn't working in the fat ring. That evening I met the cashier from the market who told me that Mr X who was well known for being miserable had been in the office to pay for the tup. That weekend at a farm sale Mr X asked me why I was selling such a good tup in the fat ring. I told him it was the poorest tup I had and was left on it's own after the rest had been put out so I just sold it fat .
It was year's before he spoke to me again.
As for how much is to much?
If the cheque bounce it was to much.