Ransomes ts59 / robin 54a

[Massey_3115]

Also - what is the best skimmer option? The 'bar' skimmer or ones on a bar attached to the disc?

 

[Petetheploughman]

Seems like i should really go down the ts59 route. What is a sensible price to pay for a complete 59. Im not too worried what bodies it has on as I can swap/bolt on my yl frogs and bodies.

Anything from £60 - £300 mostly about being in the right place at the right time.

 

[Petetheploughman]

Also - what is the best skimmer option? The 'bar' skimmer or ones on a bar attached to the disc?

Disc skimmers all the way in my opinion you can get the skimmer blade up really tight up against the disc. Beam mounted ones I find a bit hit and miss. But its all about what you get on the best with this is only what I prefer.

 

[arcobob]

A TS 59 is much easier to get hold of as there were far more TS 59's made than there were TS 54's made.
They are two good ploughs all they need is a good ploughman.

I think the ploughs in your original post are both Robins. The one on the left is a 1013 (frame as the one on ebay) and the one on the right is a 54A. The original Robin (TS54) was made from 1950 either with a wheel (54D) or without (54A) and designed for the Ford/Ferguson. It was resurrected as a 1013 for the Fordson Dexta in 1957 and I don`t think it was ever offered with a wheel though it can be retrospectively fitted. Why the change of model number for which is essentially the same plough is a bit of a mystery.

 

[Petetheploughman]

I think the ploughs in your original post are both Robins. The one on the left is a 1013 (frame as the one on ebay) and the one on the right is a 54A. The original Robin (TS54) was made from 1950 either with a wheel (54D) or without (54A) and designed for the Ford/Ferguson. It was resurrected as a 1013 for the Fordson Dexta in 1957 and I don`t think it was ever offered with a wheel though it can be retrospectively fitted. Why the change of model number for which is essentially the same plough is a bit of a mystery.

You really know your stuff about ploughs Bob. I'm interested to know how many genuine TS 86's were made.

 

[arcobob]

You really know your stuff about ploughs Bob. I'm interested to know how many genuine TS 86's were made.

I have no idea how many 86s were made but I would guess around 50, a large proportion of which will have survived. Ransomes has local history interest for me as Robert Ransome was a Norfolk man, born at Wells-next-the- Sea, and started his agricultural engineering business in Norwich before moving to Ipswich. Most of the info is in Anthony Clare`s book, Ransomes and their Tractor Share Ploughs, and is an excellent read. Obtainable from Old Pond Publishing , www.oldpond.com.

 

[Petetheploughman]

I have no idea how many 86s were made but I would guess around 50, a large proportion of which will have survived. Ransomes has local history interest for me as Robert Ransome was a Norfolk man, born at Wells-next-the- Sea, and started his agricultural engineering business in Norwich before moving to Ipswich. Most of the info is in Anthony Clare`s book, Ransomes and their Tractor Share Ploughs, and is an excellent read. Obtainable from Old Pond Publishing , www.oldpond.com.

Thanks I've been thinking abut how many there made the last time I went to the nationals there were 15 TS 86's I counted that was about 6 or 7 years ago. So just over a quarter of the TS 86 population!

 

[Roy Stokes]

I would say quite a few more than 50, maybe double, but we are all guessing

 

[Massey_3115]

Is there anyone on this forum that produces depth wheels for TS54,s? If not I think I may start to look for a TS59 to buy,

 

[Tafe Tractorman]

Is there anyone on this forum that produces depth wheels for TS54,s? If not I think I may start to look for a TS59 to buy,

im pretty sure there is a ploughman from norfolk area who manufacturers sliding cross shafts and headstocks for ransome ploughs when ive seen them they look quite a good engineered job im sure he would be your best option if he would be interested dont know the guys name but im sure somebody on this forum would

 

[Mydexta]

@Pennine Ploughing

Looks like a job for you!!!!!


20% commission for me if you get the job!!!!!

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

im pretty sure there is a ploughman from norfolk area who manufacturers sliding cross shafts and headstocks for ransome ploughs when ive seen them they look quite a good engineered job im sure he would be your best option if he would be interested dont know the guys name but im sure somebody on this forum would

there is, would like to see some pics if you have any

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

@Pennine Ploughing

Looks like a job for you!!!!!


20% commission for me if you get the job!!!!!

i can afford the 20% commission and give it to you Euan,
as there is no profit in the job, just time and materials, so 20% of nowt is still nowt

 

[Roy Stokes]

Steve Framingham is the bloke Fred refers to, Norlinc Engineering, try a google search ? you can also contact Steve via face book

Edit, Bob on here would know Steve very well

 

[arcobob]

Is there anyone on this forum that produces depth wheels for TS54,s? If not I think I may start to look for a TS59 to buy,

I do know Steve Framingham well and he is a top class engineer and ploughman. If you can obtain a depth wheel assembly (Wheel, shaft and winder) for a 59 it can be modified but you should consider the following points. You will have to make some mounting brackets for the shaft and one for the winder. As a rule of thumb you want an arrangement that is adjustable through the range 8" above the furrow bottom to 4" below. It will also be desirable to have a wheel that can be adjusted from 10" from the rear landside to 22" from the same.
If you can do this yourself all well and good but in spite of the success that Richard Ingram has achieved with a Robin they have a reduced under beam clearance and a shorter frame length than a 59. Do you really want to go to a lot of expense which may be better spent on a more adaptable plough ?

 

[Massey_3115]

I do know Steve Framingham well and he is a top class engineer and ploughman. If you can obtain a depth wheel assembly (Wheel, shaft and winder) for a 59 it can be modified but you should consider the following points. You will have to make some mounting brackets for the shaft and one for the winder. As a rule of thumb you want an arrangement that is adjustable through the range 8" above the furrow bottom to 4" below. It will also be desirable to have a wheel that can be adjusted from 10" from the rear landside to 22" from the same.
If you can do this yourself all well and good but in spite of the success that Richard Ingram has achieved with a Robin they have a reduced under beam clearance and a shorter frame length than a 59. Do you really want to go to a lot of expense which may be better spent on a more adaptable plough ?

Yes I fully agree. I think I will look for a ts59 which will last me for years and be suitable as I progress and improve.

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

Yes I fully agree. I think I will look for a ts59 which will last me for years and be suitable as I progress and improve.

That would be sensible, if I started again I would use a TS59/ I use a TS54 (like R Ingram) there is nothing wrong with it, I've modified it to suit me. I think the extra weight is of negligible benefit, you can always weight up more. Can't say the extra clearance is worth 'owt either. I think the real benefit is that you can manipulate the frame better for sliding cross shaft and depth wheel. I think if I saw a plough come up for sale I might be interested, but I'm certainly not actively looking to swap, my Robin does me fine...

 

[Petetheploughman]

That would be sensible, if I started again I would use a TS59/ I use a TS54 (like R Ingram) there is nothing wrong with it, I've modified it to suit me. I think the extra weight is of negligible benefit, you can always weight up more. Can't say the extra clearance is worth 'owt either. I think the real benefit is that you can manipulate the frame better for sliding cross shaft and depth wheel. I think if I saw a plough come up for sale I might be interested, but I'm certainly not actively looking to swap, my Robin does me fine...

I think if I came 4th in the Nationals ,like you did a few years back, I wouldn't have any intention of swapping. I think if I did come in the top 5 or near the top or even middle it would be a miracle! Your Robin must do a good job like this one does as you came 4th at the Nationals and you have beaten Richard before . If you don't want to modify the plough I would say the Robin has the most cross shaft adjustment. But Bob has got the best idea by far by narrowing the frame and headstock. John has got another good idea by using a 3rd furrow.
All you need is a good plot that has good ground, like in the video, at the Nationals and then 1st price will be yours!

 

[Petetheploughman]

I still think the Robin is a pig to get in the ground like you see at the start of the video.

 

[arcobob]

That would be sensible, if I started again I would use a TS59/ I use a TS54 (like R Ingram) there is nothing wrong with it, I've modified it to suit me. I think the extra weight is of negligible benefit, you can always weight up more. Can't say the extra clearance is worth 'owt either. I think the real benefit is that you can manipulate the frame better for sliding cross shaft and depth wheel. I think if I saw a plough come up for sale I might be interested, but I'm certainly not actively looking to swap, my Robin does me fine...

I started with a Robin and changed to a 59 but I agree with you that there is little wrong with them but if you are going to pay someone to modify a plough I don`t think I would throw the money at the Robin.