Really ?

[Wiggins]

Excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't a land tax only be payable on death or transfer of ownership of said land, and would be a fixed amount, say £200 to £500 pounds an acre? As a one off payment? Would this really bankrupt a viable business??

 

[Wiggins]

Sorry forage trader, haven’t worked out how to quote your post yet

 

[Tarw Coch]

Excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't a land tax only be payable on death or transfer of ownership of said land, and would be a fixed amount, say £200 to £500 pounds an acre? As a one off payment? Would this really bankrupt a viable business??

A land tax could be whatever those who introduced it wanted it to be, it could be one or two or whatever figure percent of its market value annually, now that would fek the job.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Sorry forage trader, haven’t worked out how to quote your post yet

Click on reply underneath his post, it should come up.

 

[Wiggins]

Click on reply underneath his post, it should come up.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Half way there, now you need to write something underneath it.

Be careful not to write within the quoted post or it’s hard to differentiate between what you’ve wrote and what you’ve quoted.

 

[Wiggins]

Half way there, now you need to write something underneath it.

Be careful not to write within the quoted post or it’s hard to differentiate between what you’ve wrote and what you’ve quoted.

Thank you

 

[Tarw Coch]

Sorry forage trader, I’m too thick to work out how to quote your post yet

You can also get up to a bit of mischief

Welcome to the forum BTW

 

[Wiggins]

You can also get up to a bit of mischief

Welcome to the forum BTW

Thanks again

 

[7610 super q]

So, is it just me then that's shocked that 50% of farmers have disappeared in one generation ?
Thinking about it, there's been a similar decline in ship building , mining, car manufacturing...... Maybe the shock is there's still 50% of us left....

 

[Tarw Coch]

Thanks again

You’d better check what I quoted you saying before you thank me.

A great place to put your point over but don’t get too bogged down in taking things too seriously if others don’t agree with you, you can also have a bit of fun, see your quite above

 

[kiwi pom]

So, is it just me then that's shocked that 50% of farmers have disappeared in one generation ?
Thinking about it, there's been a similar decline in ship building , mining, car manufacturing...... Maybe the shock is there's still 50% of us left....

I wonder how many new entrants have come in to farming in the last generation?
You could look at it another way and say there's been enough money for younger existing farmers to buy farms from those that retire in order to expand.
When smaller/mid sized farms are sold now it seems they're sold in lots rather than a whole, to increase total price and perhaps keep the house and buildings for development. So unless you've a ton of money made elsewhere or are an existing farmer you've no chance to buy, so no new farmers coming along, to replace those retiring.

 

[Nearly]

I do hope you’re right, as I run a medium sized dairy farm, but I rather doubt it unfortunately.
To be fair, size is relative, we run 200 ish dairy cattle and 220ish replacements and store cattle today, what would you’ve classed that size enterprise 40 yrs ago?

Viable.

 

[neilo]

I do hope you’re right, as I run a medium sized dairy farm, but I rather doubt it unfortunately.
To be fair, size is relative, we run 200 ish dairy cattle and 220ish replacements and store cattle today, what would you’ve classed that size enterprise 40 yrs ago?

In the 1970’s we were up to 330 milkers. At the time there was a ‘300 cow club’ that only had a very small handful of members. I remember Mum telling me that my father had been asked about joining, but refused as he didn’t agree with the whole ‘look at me’ idea (which I have to agree with). Apparently 300 cows was a rare thing back then.

 

[roscoe erf]

I wonder how many were lost between 1930 - 1970 ?

40

 

[Clive]

See that article in the FW ?

Total output in the last 40 years down 37%
Profit down 43%
Farmer numbers down 52%
Farm workers down 40%
Dairy cow numbers down 45% ( output up 8% )
Cereals area down 15% ( output up 50% )

Land price £5650 / acre in 1973...... miss print surely ?

Anyhoo.........the glory years under the CAP..

yes and people are scared of loosing it !

GMO etc would have made it even worse - we dodged a bullet so far there !


This obsession to keep producing more that has brainwashed farmers (ironic that the article is in the propaganda mag mostly responsible !) has to end for the sale of our profits and the environment

we would all be much better off if N ferts, GMO's and crop protection products were banned globally ........ none of these product has ever benefited a farmer

Less IS more

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't a land tax only be payable on death or transfer of ownership of said land, and would be a fixed amount, say £200 to £500 pounds an acre? As a one off payment? Would this really bankrupt a viable business??

Council tax bills would treble for middle-class homeowners under Labour plans to introduce a so-called “garden tax” on the value of land, it was claimed last night.
The Labour manifesto contains plans for a Land Value Tax to replace council tax, which would hit people with gardens the hardest.
The manifesto contains no detail of how the tax would be applied, but the Conservatives claim tax on the the average family home would go up from £1,185 to £3,837 per year, an increase of £2,651

Because the tax would also apply to agricultural land, it could have a knock-on effect of driving up food prices.
The policy was described as “nonsensical” by Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, who said it would “bring misery to every single family in Britain”.
While council tax works by taxing the overall value of a property, Land Value Tax would impose an annual charge on the rental value of land, not counting any improvements such as houses built on it.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

See that article in the FW ?

Total output in the last 40 years down 37%
Profit down 43%
Farmer numbers down 52%
Farm workers down 40%
Dairy cow numbers down 45% ( output up 8% )
Cereals area down 15% ( output up 50% )

Land price £5650 / acre in 1973...... miss print surely ?

Anyhoo.........the glory years under the CAP..

Total output down 37% ?

Really?

Farming produces 37% less now than it did 40 years ago? Despite crop science advances, efficient feed converting animals and high yielding cows?

 

[betweenthelines]

In the 1970’s we were up to 330 milkers. At the time there was a ‘300 cow club’ that only had a very small handful of members. I remember Mum telling me that my father had been asked about joining, but refused as he didn’t agree with the whole ‘look at me’ idea (which I have to agree with). Apparently 300 cows was a rare thing back then.

Don't like the whole "look at me" idea says the guy with 21,000 posts!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Total output down 37% ?

Really?

Farming produces 37% less now than it did 40 years ago? Despite crop science advances, efficient feed converting animals and high yielding cows?

Headage payment removal hit hard around here. You could hardly put a pin between sheep after shearing time for miles. Now only a few flocks about land is ticking over and a lot reverting to scrub .very few farms bother with lime now which says it all