JMTHORNLEY
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- Location
- Glossop
I had some spare and stitched some into existing PP, I'll keep you updated if you want? I'm not holding much hope as its a very thick old thatchy type stuff
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Red Clover
- Thread starter M-J-G
- Start date
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
- Location
- Cornwall.
Do you think that's enough Red seeing as there is two thirds less seed in a kilo as opposed to White Clover?
Just interested in your views.
- Location
- Ceredigion
kev is also a seed rep , he gives some excellent advice as well , as for myself I'm for most a farmer , involved in the family since I was a child , beef sheep dairy and arable over the years on 650 acres which I now manage myself since dad passed away , we also rent land to Adas for their field trialsThe issue I always find is 'reps' are told to tout all they can. @Kevtherev mentioned last night a lot of this valuable information is self taught through trial and error in an open forum where said reps can the push as their experience or 'knowledge'
I enjoy talking to farmers and trying to help if I can , but makes no odds to me I'm getting near retirment age and just as happy cycling around the country on my bike , I've certainly got no time for the constant snipping on here.
I post a lot on the BFF Facebook page and they are all polite and friendly on there
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- Location
- Cumbria
We have it in our herbal leys, as has been said, needs careful management not to graze it too tight - which Unfortunately I have done on one field, however grassland management has been a challenge here this spring and last due to prolonged dry spells in March and April.
- Location
- Ceredigion
I put that in with a Tine Harrow with a mounted air seeder , the sward was open and did a good job , give it a good rolling after , works out cheaper than the disc drill , tines down hard and sprinkled the seed on top , drills can put Clover to deep if not carefull ,I used the disc drill for grass seed into turf mind
JMTHORNLEY
Member
- Location
- Glossop
Eye, maybe because they've not got the full measure of you just yet, and your by no means as argumentative or as down right a rude f**king knowall on there either. I generally take no interest in how much a man farms and less in a man that feels the need to tell me how much he farms and even less in a man that tells me how long he's been farming. So really if you feel the need to back up your credentials to that much a point then surly there must be something wrong with your sales pitch and delivery of information, as I've said before, if it even is your sales pitch or your information, I doubt it is
Mine is my own meandering experience and the odd bit of joy I get from taking pictures of my grass.....I like grass
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Bit of an addition really to try and get some deep roots in.There is a white clover blend in the mix too will keep you posted how it behaves being direct drilled.Do you think that's enough Red seeing as there is two thirds less seed in a kilo as opposed to White Clover?
Just interested in your views.
Hoping for it to be a successful establishment.
- Location
- somerset
we can dry out badly, and dry yrs seem to be increasing
so most of what we now so, bears that in mind, root systems need to be deep, and strong, prg isn't our most favourite grass, tends to be shallower rooted, and quickly heads at stress periods, we still use the 'dryer' types, but cocksfoot fesques fustololiums and timothy go in as well, inc some herbs, and lots of clover, now putting clover seed in with fert. ( to bulk the fert up a bit !!!!!). This spring, our clover is really early, don't really know why, but, wonder, if the low rate of N, 25units grazing, 40 cutting, has meant the grass element, has been slower, without its N fix, and let the clover grow, I don't know, but would definitely would like to. The other big difference this year, is bulk, we have had very large cuts, even where sheep grazed til mid march, now, with less N, one would expect lower yield, yet the opposite happened, and the grass colour was deep green, so N came from somewhere.
Read an article somewhere, that said, to get max benefit from clover N, soil fauna, fungii, and root systems, all had to be 'correct'. We have been focusing on soil, and root systems, for the last 3 yrs, min til, dd etc. Has that helped with N take up ? Not a clue, but something has made the grass grow, and it hasn't come out the bag ! Clover/legumes are increasing every year, we buy seed, in 25kg bags, and spin lots out. On another thread, Aus farmer, sprays out weeds in clover, with ordinary spray, not clover safe, reckons it hits it back, for a couple of weeks, then grows again, his swards were full of clover.
so most of what we now so, bears that in mind, root systems need to be deep, and strong, prg isn't our most favourite grass, tends to be shallower rooted, and quickly heads at stress periods, we still use the 'dryer' types, but cocksfoot fesques fustololiums and timothy go in as well, inc some herbs, and lots of clover, now putting clover seed in with fert. ( to bulk the fert up a bit !!!!!). This spring, our clover is really early, don't really know why, but, wonder, if the low rate of N, 25units grazing, 40 cutting, has meant the grass element, has been slower, without its N fix, and let the clover grow, I don't know, but would definitely would like to. The other big difference this year, is bulk, we have had very large cuts, even where sheep grazed til mid march, now, with less N, one would expect lower yield, yet the opposite happened, and the grass colour was deep green, so N came from somewhere.
Read an article somewhere, that said, to get max benefit from clover N, soil fauna, fungii, and root systems, all had to be 'correct'. We have been focusing on soil, and root systems, for the last 3 yrs, min til, dd etc. Has that helped with N take up ? Not a clue, but something has made the grass grow, and it hasn't come out the bag ! Clover/legumes are increasing every year, we buy seed, in 25kg bags, and spin lots out. On another thread, Aus farmer, sprays out weeds in clover, with ordinary spray, not clover safe, reckons it hits it back, for a couple of weeks, then grows again, his swards were full of clover.
- Location
- Ceredigion
When someone questions your right to speak then forgive me if I try and defend myself lolEye, maybe because they've not got the full measure of you just yet, and your by no means as argumentative or as down right a rude f**king knowall on there either. I generally take no interest in how much a man farms and less in a man that feels the need to tell me how much he farms and even less in a man that tells me how long he's been farming. So really if you feel the need to back up your credentials to that much a point then surly there must be something wrong with your sales pitch and delivery of information, as I've said before, if it even is your sales pitch or your information, I doubt it is
Mine is my own meandering experience and the odd bit of joy I get from taking pictures of my grass.....I like grass
This is me buckraking back in the 70ts when I should have been in School
Some good old RVP Italian Ryegass coming in lol
Jonny B88
Member
- Location
- ballykelly. NI
Yes please thanks!!
Something that I meant to ask, if you're applying liquid slurry to a red clover/prg mix what method of application is preferred? It's a contractor that spreads my slurry and I have the option of an injector, trailing shoe, dribble bar and splash plate.
The idea in my head is to sow some this August with composted dung, then 100kg/ha of 18-6-12 in the spring year 1, 1500-2000gal/ac of good slurry after each cut and compost in October. Am I mad?
The idea in my head is to sow some this August with composted dung, then 100kg/ha of 18-6-12 in the spring year 1, 1500-2000gal/ac of good slurry after each cut and compost in October. Am I mad?
davidroberts30
Member
- Location
- pembrokeshire
No that sounds about right
Yes yes yes.
Put in after maize. As others have said, you don't see it first cut but the dryer it gets, the grass slows down and the RC powers on.
- Location
- somerset
you can put rc in any time, it germinates when it thinks the time is right.
just been over some grass cut last sunday, white clover coming back quicker than the grass, and you can see how big the clover patches are,
just been over some grass cut last sunday, white clover coming back quicker than the grass, and you can see how big the clover patches are,
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
We have a fair bit of red clover in our newer pastures, animals do really well on it even if left to "lose quality" as most people would consider it is ready at about the flowering stage or earlier.
In my experience this blows their bums and in some cases, gave male cattle "waterbelly" due to excess protein, so we don't graze immature feed any more and have had no trouble since.
Downsides, regular grazing (often) really doesn't do anything to help it persist.
Upsides, huge amount of high quality summer feed, seed goes through cattle and pops up new plants in their poo, fixes heaps of N if allowed to grow properly, and appears like magic once you have it around the place.
In our system it's really valuable as a forage because a lot of the cool-season grasses take a few months off in the summertime, worse in dry years.
This stuff just keeps ripping out of the ground.
In my experience this blows their bums and in some cases, gave male cattle "waterbelly" due to excess protein, so we don't graze immature feed any more and have had no trouble since.
Downsides, regular grazing (often) really doesn't do anything to help it persist.
Upsides, huge amount of high quality summer feed, seed goes through cattle and pops up new plants in their poo, fixes heaps of N if allowed to grow properly, and appears like magic once you have it around the place.
In our system it's really valuable as a forage because a lot of the cool-season grasses take a few months off in the summertime, worse in dry years.
This stuff just keeps ripping out of the ground.
JMTHORNLEY
Member
- Location
- Glossop
First cut is 50kgs Acre for me, if you can get it on before the RC starts growing it gives it a nice little kick and really wakes the clover up to much and you'll kill it
- Location
- Ceredigion
Last year I put 5.24.24 in the seed bed X 100 kg acre, nothing after ,
JMTHORNLEY
Member
- Location
- Glossop
Red Clover really is amazing stuff, be ready for mowing in another week or so
