Red Tractor - Mass Balance

[melted welly]

Did you do the survey that Sedex emailed out? they tried to ring me after I did it, I may have been a little negative.

I did, but have had no contact from them. Likewise, I was a bit blunt. I do an annual email of complaint and in the past one of their “officers” suggested I attend the agm to air my views.

it was in Kuala Lumpur.

idiots.

 

[JLLM]

I did, but have had no contact from them. Likewise, I was a bit blunt. I do an annual email of complaint and in the past one of their “officers” suggested I attend the agm to air my views.

it was in Kuala Lumpur.

idiots.

It was a shame it came up as a london number so I didn't answer it, was only when I googled it later that I realised it was them.

 

[farmerm]

Most of the people on here haven't the testicles to do that, they want the premium but not the hassle. Well done for sticking to your principles. (And I say this as a supporter of farm assurance)

what premium??

 

[farmerm]

Sold his soul to the devil.......

 

[farmerm]

The biofuels refineries are nearly 200miles from me, what has the renewable energy directive got to do with the animal feed grains I produce?

 

[Sharpy]

what premium??

The discount for non assured grain is stated on this thread to be £5 per ton. This would mean a premium of £5 per ton for assured versus non assured.
If you are achieving assured prices for non assured grain then well done.

 

[MrNoo]

The discount for non assured grain is stated on this thread to be £5 per ton. This would mean a premium of £5 per ton for assured versus non assured.
If you are achieving assured prices for non assured grain then well done.

Nonsense, Market price is X (it was before RT came along) non assured market price is X-£5 there is ZERO premium so could you please stop dressing it up as a "PREMIUM" because it isnt. It is the RT supporters way of suggesting that RT gives a premium when in fact it is utter boll*cks

 

[Sharpy]

Nonsense, Market price is X (it was before RT came along) non assured market price is X-£5 there is ZERO premium so could you please stop dressing it up as a "PREMIUM" because it isnt. It is the RT supporters way of suggesting that RT gives a premium when in fact it is utter boll*cks

Well what do you call the price difference?

 

[Jon 2166]

Phoned RT today to get an explanation as to what this was all about. Seems like more wasted paperwork for no return? They are going to phone me tomorrow to explain. This is nothing to do with "Biofuel Crops" being grown on ploughed up environmentally important habitats, as suggested in the email. They would be better off getting those details from the BPS submissions, that tells DEFRA where we all grow our crops. We have no weighbridge and will have to estimate., this could be way out depending on bushel weight and moisture?
I think they will want to start looking at financial records to help confirm your balance. Otherwise you could put anything on your balance? We seem to do more for RT and get nothing back. The NFU are involved with RT, they really need to get a backbone.
RT have been going for 20 years and achieved very little for the producer. They do guarantee a full farm visit each year though. I'm sure they do the same in Ukraine, Russia and Australia, Canada, Brazil etc.... ?

 

[Wombat]

The discount for non assured grain is stated on this thread to be £5 per ton. This would mean a premium of £5 per ton for assured versus non assured.
If you are achieving assured prices for non assured grain then well done.

The issue we have is we have no storage so cannot move our grain off the combine at harvest without it as no one will take it as its one of the commerical store terms from AIC they won't so we are fecked without paying the protection money.

 

[MrNoo]

Well what do you call the price difference?

A deduction if not assured. It's not like it was theirs to start with to take away is it? They have just put themselves in this position in the name of "traceability" with the backing of an idiotic Farming Union.
If I grew a ton of wheat in france I'd get X, so why if I grow the same ton of wheat here do I get X-£5? Because some Cartel has managed to syphon off my £5/t. If you believe that is a premium then crack on.
I'm going unassured from now on, will take a hit financially but enough is enough. You'll be putting vaseline on for them next

 

[teslacoils]

The discount for non assured grain is stated on this thread to be £5 per ton. This would mean a premium of £5 per ton for assured versus non assured.
If you are achieving assured prices for non assured grain then well done.

That's not quite right. Ask the price for delivered UK ACC's wheat; delivered non assured; and delivered imported Ukrainian wheat.

 

[Sharpy]

That's not quite right. Ask the price for delivered UK ACC's wheat; delivered non assured; and delivered imported Ukrainian wheat.

Please enlighten me.

 

[farmerm]

The discount for non assured grain is stated on this thread to be £5 per ton. This would mean a premium of £5 per ton for assured versus non assured.
If you are achieving assured prices for non assured grain then well done.

Yes as others have stated... do you believe this none farm assumed £5 deduction also applies to imported grain? All else being equal imported grain and none assured UK grain are both none assured grain but only the domestically produced grain is treated as a second class product. There is no premium for assurance only a penalty for domestic production of none assured grain!!

 

[Sharpy]

Yes as others have stated... do you believe this none farm assumed £5 deduction also applies to imported grain? All else being equal imported grain and none assured UK grain are both none assured grain but only the domestically produced grain is treated as a second class product. There is no premium for assurance only a penalty for domestic production of none assured grain!!

That explains why people are so wound up!

 

[Cordiale]

Most of the people on here haven't the testicles to do that, they want the premium but not the hassle. Well done for sticking to your principles. (And I say this as a supporter of farm assurance)

Farmers should have stuck together at the start and not joined. But the 'Movers and Shakers' of the day thought they were going to get a premium for assured grain, unfortunately it was non assured that was discounted. As for the traceability argument, grain has always been traceable otherwise how would they know who to pay? Just another stick to beat us with. Don't worry all the Aussie stuff will no doubt be of a higher standard than home produced.

 

[DRC]

Well what do you call the price difference?

An extortion racket

 

[farmerm]

Farmers should have stuck together at the start and not joined. But the 'Movers and Shakers' of the day thought they were going to get a premium for assured grain, unfortunately it was non assured that was discounted. As for the traceability argument, grain has always been traceable otherwise how would they know who to pay? Just another stick to beat us with. Don't worry all the Aussie stuff will no doubt be of a higher standard than home produced.

I think at cereals those who joined FA in the first 3 years should all line up and let those who eventually got forced into the racket to kick them in the nuts!

 

[yellow belly]

I will record every load into the shed and estimate the weight from weighing a couple of loads and deducting any likely moisture loss for drying

as I often deliver grain in trailers I use a lot more stickers than total tonnes divided by 29

been doing this since before farm assurance

one thing I have learnt is that specific weight varies through out the day when combineing much more than moisture does
but once the grain is cooled and loaded out with.a Bit of mixing it is very similar with little variation

 

[Flat 10]

I will record every load into the shed and estimate the weight from weighing a couple of loads and deducting any likely moisture loss for drying

as I often deliver grain in trailers I use a lot more stickers than total tonnes divided by 29

been doing this since before farm assurance

one thing I have learnt is that specific weight varies through out the day when combineing much more than moisture does
but once the grain is cooled and loaded out with.a Bit of mixing it is very similar with little variation

We know how to do it but are you gonna share it with the fudgewits at RT. They need reporting by as many of us as possible to the competition commission etc for abuse of power and market fixing.