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- Montgomeryshire
I'd put half that on personally. 2kg/ac (5kg/ha) is the recommended rate on most bags IIRC. Higher rate if you leave it until you see damage perhaps, to get more baiting points.
Would that be right @drummer_bruhaha ?
Reseeding ground that hasn’t been done for 25+ years
- Thread starter JMTHORNLEY
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I'd put half that on personally. 2kg/ac (5kg/ha) is the recommended rate on most bags IIRC. Higher rate if you leave it until you see damage perhaps, to get more baiting points.
Would that be right @drummer_bruhaha ?
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- Montgomeryshire
On slug pellets, you should also note that you shouldn't apply Metaldehyde pellets within 10m (IIRC) of a field boundary now, which is a big chunk of it in small fields and arguably the highest risk area with the slimy little buggers creeping out of the hedges.
I am using (more expensive) Ferric pellets now, just so that I can bait to the edges.
I am using (more expensive) Ferric pellets now, just so that I can bait to the edges.
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- Montgomeryshire
We've had terrible problems with wireworm in the past, even when we could spray them and when it was cultivated before drilling. You can have them in one field of pp, but not in an adjacent one IME.
I took a field of long term pp out last year and DD'ed swedes into it first (and will repeat this year), just to break the wireworm, before going into the cereal/roots rotation I have here. They don't like brassicas it seems.
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- Cambs
Yep. 5kg/ha is a standard application rate for my products, either metaldehyde or ferric.
Don’t worry too much about baiting points.
Obviously, only treat if you have reached the threshold (4 slugs in a trap).
Please ensure your applicator is calibrated, has the correct certification and the person applying is qualified [emoji106]
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- Welshpool Powys
JMTHORNLEY
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@Kevtherev @neilo
Could I pick your brains on this please?
I am thinking of cutting June/July time, burning off and DD with a Moore some westerwolds then grazing over winter allowing the sward to really tiller out and then mowing spring with a view to reseed after first cut 2019? Or am I just pishing around?
Could I pick your brains on this please?
I am thinking of cutting June/July time, burning off and DD with a Moore some westerwolds then grazing over winter allowing the sward to really tiller out and then mowing spring with a view to reseed after first cut 2019? Or am I just pishing around?
- Location
- Cornwall.
Westerwolds are a high growing grass which doesn't tiller well, increase seed rate or go with IRG which will give you growth (temp permitting) through the winter.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I DD'ed a mixture of IRG/Westerwolds and 5% Winfred rape in after Winter Barley last year. The yield off it in the Autumn was incredible and lambs did really well (small ones went on that and overtook the bigger ones on PRG leys). The rape doesn't really grow back much when it gets cold but the grass grew at low temps. I had the sheep off in November, but was grazing it again in February when it was 4" high. It's been grazed since then and I will be spraying it out for beet shortly (probably this week). If I needed the silage, I would throw some fert on it and plan to get a big, early cut as it will head early.
I shall be repeating it on a bigger WB field this Autumn.
Tillering potential on Westerwolds is next to none, so winter grazing won't make much difference to that aspect IMO, but if you feed it well, it does poke up some feed. I suspect you'll run the same pest risks as any other grass to grass reseed, if you are DD'ing into an old ley, but it would certainly give you two good chances to take out weeds cheaply with glyphosate, leaving a much cleaner field.
JMTHORNLEY
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And that is the golden ticket for me... So yes I could sow the westerworlds, mix a bit of IRG in there, let it go over winter with a bit of grazing, feed the life out of it come spring, mow and then reseed with a brasica/green manure crop and reseed the following spring, 2020?
The reason I am thinking like this is our unpredictable springs, if I have the chance to make some early spring fodder bagged up by end of May/June (and a lot of it) I'd feel much more comfortable trying the brassica route the year after.
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- Montgomeryshire
You should be able to make the IRG/Westerwolds last the whole season, spreading your seed cost further. You just need to keep on top of it as it runs to head quickly in a dry time IME, so graze on a short rotation or cut regular, lighter crops. It's hungry for N too, and Potash I guess if removing silage cuts.
ollie989898
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Dont care a jot about wireworm in cereals. They wont eat 350 seeds a metre.
Reseeded a field last year that hasnt been ploughed or touched for 100 years.
If the land is fudged in weeds then better to crop a wholecrop or put kale in IMO.
Spray off, dung and put kale in during May when soil is warm. Watch for flea beetle but it will grow like a plague.
Reseeded a field last year that hasnt been ploughed or touched for 100 years.
If the land is fudged in weeds then better to crop a wholecrop or put kale in IMO.
Spray off, dung and put kale in during May when soil is warm. Watch for flea beetle but it will grow like a plague.
JMTHORNLEY
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- Glossop
Hadn't thought of running it past one cut.. That'd work very well if I can grab two cuts and a later heavier cut of hayledge/hay?
ollie989898
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Dont use metaldehyde now jusy use ferric phosphate. Stuff is near enough banned now.
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- Welshpool Powys
JMTHORNLEY
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- Glossop
I just worry that I won’t get a good establishment with such low index’s? Will this be as much an issue when DD?
- Location
- Cornwall.
Perhaps go with a grass seed which has a seed treatment to help establihment and early vigour?
JMTHORNLEY
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- Glossop
Hard to come by @Great In Grass or can this be done with any seed mixture? I have come across treated seeds before but again, lack of experience
- Location
- Cornwall.
We have one supplier who will treat most bespoke mixtures with a bio-stimulant seed dressing if we ask nicely. 
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Sorry, just gone back and read your op to see the indices. Everything is going to be challenged by those levels, so worth rectifying. Do you have a local supplier of Fibrophos? That would be ideal to spread pre-drilling to rectify shortages in the seedbed (after any glyphosate, or Calcium content may cause issues with herbicide?).
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- Welshpool Powys