Running a wagon as a side line

[mushroom]

Forgive my ignorance but what is the minimum requirement for running a arctic for farm use only?

 

[roscoe erf]

Forgive my ignorance but what is the minimum requirement for running a arctic for farm use only?

restricted o licence drivers cpc tax insurance maintenance etc

 

[Condi]

If you cant make money running a bulker this year you never will. There are some stupid rates being banded around. Lots of grain to move, and plenty of stone/aggregates as well.

Might be easier to subbie for a bigger company and let them sort the work out for you, but Im not sure how much of the rate gets passed down to them.

 

[Spud]

If you cant make money running a bulker this year you never will. There are some stupid rates being banded around. Lots of grain to move, and plenty of stone/aggregates as well.

Might be easier to subbie for a bigger company and let them sort the work out for you, but Im not sure how much of the rate gets passed down to them.

About 5% as a rule

 

[limestone cowboy]

8 wheeler muckaway and aggregates. Rates not that good but you can get your loads in and double shift for road planings on nights. It is a tipper but not sure if clean enough to cart your own grain or get the payload?

 

[tomg]

Spoken to a few local farmers about possible wagon work and they have all said to get a bulker. One bloke is worried about not getting all his sugar beet into the factory before it shuts as current haulier is only managing a load a day.
The driver cpc really has had a big impact on the industry.

 

[Kevtherev]

Thinking on the lines of a six or eight wheeler tipper.
Am I mad?

 

[Cab-over Pete]

No, but keep your costs down. New are stupid money, three year old are cheap. Buy a Volvo 8 wheeler with a nice light agg body. The Volvos last forever.

Come and work for me August- October.

 

[Condi]

Thinking on the lines of a six or eight wheeler tipper.
Am I mad?

Yes. Lots of empty miles.

I would just run a bog standard bulker at least you can usually find a back-load from almost anywhere to anywhere.

 

[Spud]

8 wheeler muckaway and aggregates. Rates not that good but you can get your loads in and double shift for road planings on nights. It is a tipper but not sure if clean enough to cart your own grain or get the payload?

But running 24/7 at crap rates is an easy way to wear tackle out fast and lose money

Spoken to a few local farmers about possible wagon work and they have all said to get a bulker. One bloke is worried about not getting all his sugar beet into the factory before it shuts as current haulier is only managing a load a day.
The driver cpc really has had a big impact on the industry.

We've run an extra tipper to normal this season and have been absolutely stacked out with work, never known it so busy. 24/7/365 work for a decent TASSC registered tipper

Thinking on the lines of a six or eight wheeler tipper.
Am I mad?

Completely bonkers

No, but keep your costs down. New are stupid money, three year old are cheap. Buy a Volvo 8 wheeler with a nice light agg body. The Volvos last forever.

Come and work for me August- October.

3yr old cheap? Really? As a man passionate about classic kit Pete, I didnt think £50k for a 3yo tractor unit with the thick end of half a million km's would be cheap!! Volvo's last forever? We had a T reg FH12 that did 1,400,000kms with very little bother, and a V reg that cost a b fortune in 600,000kms. Same as owt else, good and bad once the miles mount up. (Scania very similar, fwiw) Whats he do Nov to July? Agg body useless for grain or beet...or moving machinery/straw...or pulling taty bulkers...etc

Yes. Lots of empty miles.

I would just run a bog standard bulker at least you can usually find a back-load from almost anywhere to anywhere.

Correct. Most of the time anyway.

 

[Kevtherev]

No, but keep your costs down. New are stupid money, three year old are cheap. Buy a Volvo 8 wheeler with a nice light agg body. The Volvos last forever.

Come and work for me August- October.

Lime man by me runs his own lorry has done for years.
Six wheeler with a wilco lite body gets 17 ton on it.
What about a lorry with interchangeable bodies?
Have two mixers at quarry with de mount bodies can be changed to tipper bodies.

 

[Kevtherev]

@Cab-over Pete

 

[varidisc]

http://www.walkermovements.co.uk/

 

[Spud]

Lime man by me runs his own lorry has done for years.
Six wheeler with a wilco lite body gets 17 ton on it.
What about a lorry with interchangeable bodies?
Have two mixers at quarry with de mount bodies can be changed to tipper bodies.

Not completely daft, but much easier, and cheaper, to run a decent tractor unit, and pull trailers for others (taty bulkers particularly) A curtainsider can be hired for less than a farm spec tipper if such a job arose. Tipper trailers worth buying new if very busy. For a grain spec, 67cuyd triaxle with weigher etc: New £33k, 3yo £25k (by which time its ready for tyres and brakes...and is 2yrs off a respray) 10yo £8k
The beauty of a artic tractor unit is that it could pull a fert tanker to a taty bulker to a flat, curtain, tipper, low loader or whatever you like, and the swapover only takes a few minutes.
By my experience, aggregate rates are similar per mile to bulk work, but with a 20t max payload v's 29.5.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

But running 24/7 at crap rates is an easy way to wear tackle out fast and lose money



We've run an extra tipper to normal this season and have been absolutely stacked out with work, never known it so busy. 24/7/365 work for a decent TASSC registered tipper



Completely bonkers



3yr old cheap? Really? As a man passionate about classic kit Pete, I didnt think £50k for a 3yo tractor unit with the thick end of half a million km's would be cheap!! Volvo's last forever? We had a T reg FH12 that did 1,400,000kms with very little bother, and a V reg that cost a b fortune in 600,000kms. Same as owt else, good and bad once the miles mount up. (Scania very similar, fwiw) Whats he do Nov to July? Agg body useless for grain or beet...or moving machinery/straw...or pulling taty bulkers...etc



Correct. Most of the time anyway.

No wonder I never do any good in life!!

 

[Kevtherev]

No wonder I never do any good in life!!

Here we come Pete!
(Rubber duckie)

 

[S J H]

Thinking on the lines of a six or eight wheeler tipper.
Am I mad?

Get a volumetric concrete mixer

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Here we come Pete!
(Rubber duckie)[/QUOTE

'Tis a beautiful sight Kev. A beautiful sight.

 

[Renaultman]

I would get on an agency's books and get paid by someone else to drive; running a wagon is as cut throat as the
Tractor / contractor scenario;

This.
Having run my own small fleet of wagons for a lot of years it is an all or nothing operation if you want to do it right and make money. Companies are crying out for reliable drivers and you don;t have the hassle f running your own wagons

 

[Renaultman]

Did I hear somewhere that you could do the ADR as part of your CPC or vice versa?

Yes you can, counts for 3 days training