Ryanair buy 200 737 max

[czechmate]

A friend of mine was in Ethiopia about a month after their 737 max crashed. He was on an internal flight between Addis and Tigre when their pilot a German told them they couldn’t land because the nose wheel wouldn’t go down. They spent two hours flying around in the dark trying to get the nose wheel to go down finally the pilot came on the tannoy telling them he was attempting a crash landing but not at an airport. At this point amongst a load of hysterical passengers my friend called his wife and kids and said his goodbyes. As the pilot put the plane on line for farmland near Addis the nosewheel finally popped out and the pilot was able to pull out and land at the main airport. Unfortunately my friend decided not to tell his family what had gone on that night and went off to hotel not knowing that his final messages had been sent off automatically on landing. Six oclock next morning we were recieving hysterical messages from his wife and children while he was fast asleep after his near death experience.

My god!!!
Has he recovered yet from the wife inflicted injuries?

 

[Lowland1]

My god!!!
Has he recovered yet from the wife inflicted injuries?

I presume he said some good things rather than ‘the last twenty years have been a living hell and i’m happy for it to be ending’.

 

[bobk]

Ryan air as an air line is brilliant safety wise, newest planes, good service and maintenance. Out of all the low cost carriers, I would say them and easy jet are the best. There are a few I would steer clear of. Whizz air being one of them.

Ryanair own Whizz .

 

[czechmate]

I presume he said some good things rather than ‘the last twenty years have been a living hell and i’m happy for it to be ending’.

I was more thinking about the putting them through a night of your worse nightmares for no reason...

 

[Highland Mule]

Ryanair own Whizz .

I was assuming that he meant WizzAir which is a Hungarian outfit, separately listed on the London Stock exchange and the sometimes biggest airline at Luton. Last I looked, they were rivals, not owners.

 

[Lowland1]

I was more thinking about the putting them through a night of your worse nightmares for no reason...

They didn't actually get the messages until the next morning. I presume when they woke up and found they had had voice mails.

 

[bobk]

I was assuming that he meant WizzAir which is a Hungarian outfit, separately listed on the London Stock exchange and the sometimes biggest airline at Luton. Last I looked, they were rivals, not owners.

I thought there was a tie in between the two , or maybe they share routes . same with Air Malta , looks like it's cooperation agreement

A remarkable pair of route systems
Wizz Air, on a meteoric growth track, today has 11 operating bases in eastern Europe: Katowice, Warsaw, Gdansk and Poznan in Poland, Budapest in Hungary, Sofia in Bulgaria, Bucharest, Cluj-Napoca and Timisoara in Romania, Kiev in Ukraine and Prague in the Czech Republic.

Obligingly, Ryanair does not operate to Budapest, Sofia, Bucharest, Timisoara or Kiev. Even in Prague, where both carriers operate, there is no duplication of city pair routes.

And at the other end of the equation, Wizz does not operate to Ryanair heartlands of Dublin or London Stansted, preferring instead to fly to Cork and to London Luton. Elsewhere in the UK, there is no overlap in airports used; instead they tend to complement coverage, for example on markets to and from Poznan.

 

[Deutzdx3]

Ryanair own Whizz .

They can only be better now. A few years ago they were Russian owned.

 

[bobk]

They can only be better now. A few years ago they were Russian owned.

I was mistaken tbf .

 

[kiwi pom]

Ryanair own Whizz .

I recently watched an interview with Michael O'Leary, one of the many things he was getting stuck into was Wizz Air. He claimed that although they were a budget airline they'd never have as cheap an operating cost as Ryanair even though they were trying to bring in cheap Eastern European workers and upsetting unions etc. So certainly a rival.

Mr O'Leary, has never upset anyone of course

 

[itsalwaysme]

Some mishaps on this Twitter, enough to put you off flying

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1347278210191519744

 

[Martin Holden]

I don’t know if SIP make a wrapper (sorry) but would you be buying in stock if bale wrap was banned and only looked 50/50 to return?

Precisely. I can’t imagine why any operator would want to actually buy the aircraft

 

[le bon paysan]

No

Ryanair own Whizz .

They don't!
Buzz

 

[stewart]

I recently watched an interview with Michael O'Leary, one of the many things he was getting stuck into was Wizz Air. He claimed that although they were a budget airline they'd never have as cheap an operating cost as Ryanair even though they were trying to bring in cheap Eastern European workers and upsetting unions etc. So certainly a rival.

Mr O'Leary, has never upset anyone of course

 

[Andy12345]

I no longer fly commercially, talking to friends who still fly, it seems there is a tech race between the two big brands and a massive shift in the way people travel, seems airlines have shifted from a380 concept flying to big hubs, and now going for smaller hubs. It’s created a new market hence the 737 max line of machines, the 737 was never designed to be what it is today. Instead of developing a new plane (cost and certification time) they changed the old one. The nose down problem comes from an imbalance due to the length of the plane and position of the wings and engines to make it balanced correctly, to make it transitional so a new type rating wasn’t needed they kept the mcas system but piggybacked additional tech into it which wasn’t always correctly taught to pilots coming off a 737-800 who then went on to the max and weren’t really aware of the different protocol unless the airline made point of it. In general, airlines are only as safe as their service schedule and pilot training.

Might I ask what aircraft you were type rated on when you flew commercially? You seem to have a flawed understanding of the issues with the 737 max and MCAS in paticular.

 

[Deutzdx3]

Might I ask what aircraft you were type rated on when you flew commercially? You seem to have a flawed understanding of the issues with the 737 max and MCAS in paticular.

Type rating was on 737-400 titan airways, and Cessna citation 3. Stopped flying 737 in 2012. Stopped flying Citation 2015.

 

[Andy12345]

Type rating was on 737-400 titan airways, and Cessna citation 3. Stopped flying 737 in 2012. Stopped flying Citation 2015.

You stopped flying around the same time as me, I must say I'm glad I got out given the current situation! How did you find Titan as an employer, I was Easyjet and my face didn't really fit as an ex farmer with my base Capt.... ex Navy rotary which says it all really !!

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Boeing have been royally caught with their pants down over the Max 8. They pulled a technological fast one to avoid having to verify a whole new airframe ($$$$$$$$$) but then failed to ensure suitable redundancy in the sensor and control system. They offered dual sensors as an option but, allegedly, didn't explain to customers why they should always buy the extra sensors. They also, allegedly, failed to ensure all pilots undertaking conversion training were fully trained in the MCAS system and, specifically, how to respond IMMEDIATELY should it misbehave.

In the investigation since it has emerged that their relationship with the FAA is dangerously cosy, fatally so in retrospect.

Boeing now, sadly, have little credibility in safety matters and the FAA aren't much better.

I won't voluntarily fly in a Max 8 (but then I rarely fly anyway).

 

[Deutzdx3]

You stopped flying around the same time as me, I must say I'm glad I got out given the current situation! How did you find Titan as an employer, I was Easyjet and my face didn't really fit as an ex farmer with my base Capt.... ex Navy rotary which says it all really !!

Titan was easy, flexible, good crew which never really changed. Varied which I liked. I sort of enjoyed it but was to mundane, I liked the pj flying more, never the same two flights ever the same and money not the driving factor.

 

[Wombat]

Boeing have been royally caught with their pants down over the Max 8. They pulled a technological fast one to avoid having to verify a whole new airframe ($$$$$$$$$) but then failed to ensure suitable redundancy in the sensor and control system. They offered dual sensors as an option but, allegedly, didn't explain to customers why they should always buy the extra sensors. They also, allegedly, failed to ensure all pilots undertaking conversion training were fully trained in the MCAS system and, specifically, how to respond IMMEDIATELY should it misbehave.

In the investigation since it has emerged that their relationship with the FAA is dangerously cosy, fatally so in retrospect.

Boeing now, sadly, have little credibility in safety matters and the FAA aren't much better.

I won't voluntarily fly in a Max 8 (but then I rarely fly anyway).

I read some of the findings and cannot seriously believe they were allowed to offer the secondary sensors as an option on a saftey critical system. It’s a basic rule of control theory