Secondhand Toyota Landcruiser buying.

It was a product of its time. Big body but limited internal space and payload capacity. Honestly you will get much higher power and torque and not far off double the fuel economy from a current Ford Ranger Wildtrak 2.0 with ten speed automatic. Almost as good a ride but better handling and about the same passenger room inside, plus you get the VAT back and tax relief. Yes its more expensive to buy but far cheaper to run and new with a warranty rather than 20 year of age. No secure luggage space in the pickup unless you get a canopy of course.

Yes, theLC 100 and the newer 200 are well past their sell-by date. Superb quality old dinosaurs.
Lol, we bought ours second hand one of its first jobs was to collect a 3 seater settee ,which it fitted in no problem and the rear door shut !! yes they are thirsty especially with BFGs on, Ours replaced a newer land rover discovery 3 ,now that was a money pit !! the engine was gutless went on holiday to Cornwall in one fairly steep village we had to go into low box, since been back there in the Toyota and it walked it no slipping of the clutch !! the LC seats are like your favourite armchair, albeit dated they are a well built vehicle, look how many are out in middle East countries ! I seriously doubt your Ford will last that long, We have been asked if its for sale on 5 yes 5 occasions
 

Cowabunga

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Lol, we bought ours second hand one of its first jobs was to collect a 3 seater settee ,which it fitted in no problem and the rear door shut !! yes they are thirsty especially with BFGs on, Ours replaced a newer land rover discovery 3 ,now that was a money pit !! the engine was gutless went on holiday to Cornwall in one fairly steep village we had to go into low box, since been back there in the Toyota and it walked it no slipping of the clutch !! the LC seats are like your favourite armchair, albeit dated they are a well built vehicle, look how many are out in middle East countries ! I seriously doubt your Ford will last that long, We have been asked if its for sale on 5 yes 5 occasions
Clutch? They haven't sold the large Land Cruiser here with a manual box for two decades of more. Perhaps you have the titchy one? What they used to call the Colorado in the UK, the Prado or 120/150 series elsewhere? The one with the four-pot engine.
How long is "that long"?
 

Fendtbro

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We have ran 2 Diesel 100 series alongside the 2 80’s For about 8 years now. I really rate the 100. Powerful smooth engine, not any much worse on fuel when towing compared to new hilux but vastly more on top of the job.. Heavy duty driveline and luxury interior. They still drive like new with almost 200k on and almost zero faults! Not quite the off roader the 80 is but definitely superior on the road. Almost zero deprecation if the corrosion is controlled, (grit blast and waxing/oiling). Remember these cars were 40k odd when new and Toyota really pumped that money into the quality of the car. The only real problem is rust.. you must keep looking until you find a clean one.. they are still about.
 

dave mountain

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Clutch? They haven't sold the large Land Cruiser here with a manual box for two decades of more. Perhaps you have the titchy one? What they used to call the Colorado in the UK, the Prado or 120/150 series elsewhere? The one with the four-pot engine.
How long is "that long"?
100 series was available as a manual, theres a 55 plate manual on autotrader at the moment
 

Cowabunga

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100 series was available as a manual, theres a 55 plate manual on autotrader at the moment
Yes it was. Very few about though. Perhaps as a special order the odd one later. Quite rare in the UK. Most will be automatic, initially four speed and later five speed, will have seven seats and tailgate type cargo door. All will have independent suspension at the front with torsion-bar springs, coils and live axle at the back and by far the vast majority will also be full spec with sky-hook hydraulic assisted variable height suspension and all the kit like electrically adjustable steering column and memory seats with leather.
 

dave mountain

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Yes it was. Very few about though. Perhaps as a special order the odd one later. Quite rare in the UK. Most will be automatic, initially four speed and later five speed, will have seven seats and tailgate type cargo door. All will have independent suspension at the front with torsion-bar springs, coils and live axle at the back and by far the vast majority will also be full spec with sky-hook hydraulic assisted variable height suspension and all the kit like electrically adjustable steering column and memory seats with leather.
Probably not as rare as you think, they just dont come up for sale often as the owners know what they have and just run them forever, i know of several local to me, more manuals than autos actually, Same with the 80 series tbh, loads of manual ones around but rarely see one up for sale, usually an auto or a petrol. people dont hold on to the autos or petrols as much because of how bad on fuel they are compared to the diesel manuals. most of the 100s around here have had the AHC removed, which is a surprisingly easy job tbf
 
well Mr Know all, admit your wrong for once ,as you were saying your MF 5445 would out perform a MF 1200 on a pull, Our 2004 Land Cruiser is Manual transmission, ask lincs lass she has seen it in the flesh !! now be a man and admit your wrong (for once), its an insult to say a new Ford pick up is off the same quality
 
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Cowabunga

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Probably not as rare as you think, they just dont come up for sale often as the owners know what they have and just run them forever, i know of several local to me, more manuals than autos actually, Same with the 80 series tbh, loads of manual ones around but rarely see one up for sale, usually an auto or a petrol. people dont hold on to the autos or petrols as much because of how bad on fuel they are compared to the diesel manuals. most of the 100s around here have had the AHC removed, which is a surprisingly easy job tbf
80 series manuals were far more common if only because the automatic was only a three speed in those and the horsepower was far less, especially until the introduction of the direct injection turbocharged 1-HD.

Yes it is dead simple to remove the AHC. Indeed I have a set of springs in my shed. Only needs a set of shocks and the removal of a few pipes and the electric cable to the pump. It's that easy.
 

Cowabunga

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well Mr Know all, admit your wrong for once ,as you were saying your MF 5445 would out perform a MF 1200 on a pull, Our 2004 Land Cruiser is Manual transmission, ask lincs lass she has seen it in the flesh !! now be a man and admit your wrong (for once), its an insult to say a new Ford pick up is off the same quality
MF5445 Tier3 is about the same power and has a Dyna4 transmission, the same rear tyres so would run rings around the MF1200 on most jobs. Even with the same four furrow reversible on the back.

I have a 100 series Land Cruiser on the yard and a Ford Ranger. I don't know how long the Ranger will last but I do know for sure the relative room in their cabs and having driven the LC for 200,000 miles I'm damned sure I know how it performs and its fuel consumption. The Ranger is of course part time 4wd on the road, which sometimes makes a difference but not so much these days with traction control and stability control. The twin turbo Ranger with 10 speed is in a different league when it comes to performance and towing. I don't own one of these though but have driven one enough to know for sure.

You seem to have a very unhealthy affinity to the Land Cruiser. Almost as if any criticism at all of it is a personal attack on you. "An insult"!
I advise you to get a grip and re-evaluate your priorities in life. It's just a machine and will end up as so much scrap like every other machine.
 
MF5445 Tier3 is about the same power and has a Dyna4 transmission, the same rear tyres so would run rings around the MF1200 on most jobs. Even with the same four furrow reversible on the back.

I have a 100 series Land Cruiser on the yard and a Ford Ranger. I don't know how long the Ranger will last but I do know for sure the relative room in their cabs and having driven the LC for 200,000 miles I'm damned sure I know how it performs and its fuel consumption. The Ranger is of course part time 4wd on the road, which sometimes makes a difference but not so much these days with traction control and stability control. The twin turbo Ranger with 10 speed is in a different league when it comes to performance and towing. I don't own one of these though but have driven one enough to know for sure.

You seem to have a very unhealthy affinity to the Land Cruiser. Almost as if any criticism at all of it is a personal attack on you. "An insult"!
I advise you to get a grip and re-evaluate your priorities in life. It's just a machine and will end up as so much scrap like every other machine.
look at yourself first !! firstly admit your wrong ,get out of your never wrong temple!! ref the land cruiser I certainly have no unhealthy affinity as you so rudely stated ,nor need to get a grip, whereas you sir need to admit your wrong (heaven forbid) and stop being the forums resident know it all, As stated by other posts above the land cruiser was in the range rover league in its day ,just look on Ebay or Auto trader to see their present day values compared to most other 4x4 vehicles of that era and the price of a lot of newer vehicles of other manufacturers, People like you are ruining this forum !!
 

Cowabunga

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look at yourself first !! firstly admit your wrong ,get out of your never wrong temple!! ref the land cruiser I certainly have no unhealthy affinity as you so rudely stated ,nor need to get a grip, whereas you sir need to admit your wrong (heaven forbid) and stop being the forums resident know it all, As stated by other posts above the land cruiser was in the range rover league in its day ,just look on Ebay or Auto trader to see their present day values compared to most other 4x4 vehicles of that era and the price of a lot of newer vehicles of other manufacturers, People like you are ruining this forum !!
You have a problem mate! I have run the Land Cruiser from new to 200,000 miles, my second, and I've also ran three Range Rovers including two diesels. I made no mention of used values but agree that my 100 series is worth around £3000 as is. Hell my 2014 Ford Ranger is valued at over £10k and it isn't even a 3.2 or a Wildtrak. So what?

You have taken the fact that I've said that the current top of the range Ranger will outperform a 20 year old Land Cruiser as a personal insult. That is not normal by a very long way. Get a grip. Judging by your standard of punctuation, you may be of school age, I don't know, but try to stop acting like a spoilt brat that can't take that your pet car has been overtaken by newer engine and transmission technology.
 
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essexpete

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80 series manuals were far more common if only because the automatic was only a three speed in those and the horsepower was far less, especially until the introduction of the direct injection turbocharged 1-HD.

Yes it is dead simple to remove the AHC. Indeed I have a set of springs in my shed. Only needs a set of shocks and the removal of a few pipes and the electric cable to the pump. It's that easy.
After the 94/95 facelift and 24 valve change the 4.2 diesel 80 series was only available in the UK as a manual, AFAIK. Autos were either imports or 4.5l petrols. Of course i stand to be corrected.
 

essexpete

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well Mr Know all, admit your wrong for once ,as you were saying your MF 5445 would out perform a MF 1200 on a pull, Our 2004 Land Cruiser is Manual transmission, ask lincs lass she has seen it in the flesh !! now be a man and admit your wrong (for once), its an insult to say a new Ford pick up is off the same quality
I have a 26 year old 80s that I would not change whilst it still works and it is not much worse on fuel than many of the newer pickups. It has never pulled as well as our first 12v model and is a bit of an old dog to drive compared to a modern vehicle. I think it has bottomed a while back in terms of value.
 

Cowabunga

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After the 94/95 facelift and 24 valve change the 4.2 diesel 80 series was only available in the UK as a manual, AFAIK. Autos were either imports or 4.5l petrols. Of course i stand to be corrected.
The 80 series with 3 speed auto is very rare in the UK and I've only ever seen one. Not sure if it was an import but the owner was intending to drive it to Africa. This was around '95 to '98 and her 80 was not in the best of shapes when I saw it.
 

john432

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I had a manual 80 series for some years. Loved it, best towing vehicle I had. Remember taking 4 fat cattle to the abattoir in Merthyr, over the Brecon beacons road covered with snow, some cars struggling, but the old beast fully diff locked just kept going. Corrosion of the brake pipes around the load sensing valve. It failed it's mot. And no time to fix..after a year idle in the shed sold it on ... But might one day look for an immaculate 80 series.
 

Cowabunga

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I have a 26 year old 80s that I would not change whilst it still works and it is not much worse on fuel than many of the newer pickups. It has never pulled as well as our first 12v model and is a bit of an old dog to drive compared to a modern vehicle. I think it has bottomed a while back in terms of value.
My 80series was a 12 valve 1-HD manual. It wasn't perfect and suffered from a very weak third gear synchromesh from new. Later ones had modified gearboxes with double cone synchronisers. It was also one of only two vehicles that have conked out on me on the road when its injector pump conked out on the way back from Anglesey. It had to be carried back on a truck to a local mechanic who repaired it under warranty on behalf of the Toyota dealer which was too busy at the time. The mechanical injector pump was and is horrendously complex to set up with at least two wax piston actuators mounted on it. The electronic control top on later vehicles with the 1HD FTE engine is far superior.
 

Rejuvenating swards: Which option is best?

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Written by Brian McDonnell

Maintaining grass quality during mid-season grazing is important. Farmers can maintain quality by entering ideal grazing covers of 1,300 – 1,500kg DM/ha, and grazing down to a residual of 4cm every rotation.

If you are now in a situation where cows are not cleaning out paddocks as well as they should be, leading to the development of steamy grass within the sward, here are some options.

Common options for rejuvenating swards include:

  1. Take a silage cut, probably into bales, remove the material and start again with the aftermath...
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