Varietal purity and vigour.
Seed Dressings!
- Thread starter DRC
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What's better about seed grown from c1 then ? Will it yield better than my 4th gen home saved ? Is there any proof of that ?
As a seed grower in previous years I've never seen c1 do any better than the rest of my crops
The future IMO is mixed varieties so purity of genetics doesn't bother me at all
Varietal purity and vigour.
Do the millers agree that mixed varieties are the way forward? Do they not normally want a consistent product and like particular varieties as they have different grist characteristics.
Purity matters why ? Because a rep told you it did ?
Vigour ? Really ? I dont have a problem with vigour generations down the line and don't see why I should ?
Didn't seem to mind me mixing gallant and soltice last year
Certainly doesn't matter for feed with some evidence of increased yield from mixed varieties
- Location
- West Suffolk
You mean mixed in the field?
Yes
Trade won't tell you to do it though as it adds complexity to thier logistics
There are historical examples of this done at scale though (East Germany). With positive yield effect
wanton dwarf
Member
@Clive very much appreciate this thread.
Whilst perhaps not having as clear vision as yourself we have been practicing much the same path but on a much smaller scale
C1 seed seems pointless unless you want the new variety - Hybrid OSR also seems doubly pointless as you can't even use saved seed & no yield benefit.
BTW what machine are you using to clean seed ?
Does anyone know of the result of the trial of new strains of wheat created by breeding from the original grass strain todays wheat originated from (spelt ?) News articles put forward yield increases of +20% some months back.
Have on occasion toyed with the idea of plant breeding & the ability to speed through more than one generation per year via green houses.
Interested in DD from the aspect of reduced weed pressure, however plough will have to do until £s & regimes fit. Will keep a close eye on what's happening - thanks again for posting the information you are putting forward we are taking note & weighing options
Whilst perhaps not having as clear vision as yourself we have been practicing much the same path but on a much smaller scale
C1 seed seems pointless unless you want the new variety - Hybrid OSR also seems doubly pointless as you can't even use saved seed & no yield benefit.
BTW what machine are you using to clean seed ?
Does anyone know of the result of the trial of new strains of wheat created by breeding from the original grass strain todays wheat originated from (spelt ?) News articles put forward yield increases of +20% some months back.
Have on occasion toyed with the idea of plant breeding & the ability to speed through more than one generation per year via green houses.
Interested in DD from the aspect of reduced weed pressure, however plough will have to do until £s & regimes fit. Will keep a close eye on what's happening - thanks again for posting the information you are putting forward we are taking note & weighing options
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
@Clive very much appreciate this thread.
Whilst perhaps not having as clear vision as yourself we have been practicing much the same path but on a much smaller scale
C1 seed seems pointless unless you want the new variety - Hybrid OSR also seems doubly pointless as you can't even use saved seed & no yield benefit.
Only benefit I can see from hybrid wheat that you can't get from HSS/Conventional is the semi-dwarf varieties.
BTW what machine are you using to clean seed ?
Does anyone know of the result of the trial of new strains of wheat created by breeding from the original grass strain todays wheat originated from (spelt ?) News articles put forward yield increases of +20% some months back.
Have on occasion toyed with the idea of plant breeding & the ability to speed through more than one generation per year via green houses.
Interested in DD from the aspect of reduced weed pressure, however plough will have to do until £s & regimes fit. Will keep a close eye on what's happening - thanks again for posting the information you are putting forward we are taking note & weighing options
This? I think I remember seeing it at Cereals.
http://www.cropco.co.uk/cropco-services/hybrid-wheat/
http://www.saaten-union.co.uk/index.cfm/nav/762.html
wanton dwarf
Member
This is one of the articles talking about the new strain:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22498274
Cambridge-based scientists develop 'superwheat'
British scientists say they have developed a new type of wheat which could increase productivity by 30%.
The Cambridge-based National Institute of Agricultural Botany has combined an ancient ancestor of wheat with a modern variety to produce a new strain.
In early trials, the resulting crop seemed bigger and stronger than the current modern wheat varieties.
....
http://www.niab.com/news_and_events/article/282
NEWS: Breakthough in wheat breeding science offers greater yields
13 May 2013
UK wheat yields could be boosted by up to 30% with the introduction of a new wheat bred from a wild grass species.
The National Institute of Agricultural Botany (NIAB) in Cambridge has recreated the original rare cross between an ancient wheat and wild grass species that happened in the Middle East 10,000 years ago. The result is a ‘synthetic’ wheat which, when crossed with modern UK varieties, could offer new sources of yield improvement, drought tolerance, disease resistance and input use efficiency.
Over the next 50 years the world needs to grow more wheat than has been produced in the 10,000 years since agriculture began. But wheat yields are showing signs of reaching a plateau; the national average UK wheat yield on-farm has stalled at around 8t/ha for the past 12 years.
...
http://www.wheatisp.org/
http://www.wheatisp.org/Documents/Elite_Wheats.php
WISP Consortium: Elite Wheats
Pillar 4 represents the main output of the WISP project (see image below), that is the production of elite wheat cultivars. This work will be resourced independently by private breeding companies: the main companies involved in this work are Elsoms Seeds, KWS, Limagrain, RAGT and Syngenta.
You may click on the links above or on the company logos below to visit their web sites.
...
http://www.niab.com/uploads/files/Resynthesised_wheat_flyer_-_June_2014.pdf
What next for NIAB SHWs?
If all goes well with further tests and trials, the lead
material could enter National List trials in September
2015, which means that there could be varieties on-farm
from autumn 2019 onwards. However, as this was
experimental material, it is more likely that these lines
will also carry some basic faults. Our breeder partners
can fix these faults through designed crossing and
selection in their own programmes, with resulting
varieties emerging from 2022 onwards.
Our newer pre-breeding work will also be much more
likely to identify promising parental material than
finished varieties.
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@Clive very much appreciate this thread.
Whilst perhaps not having as clear vision as yourself we have been practicing much the same path but on a much smaller scale
C1 seed seems pointless unless you want the new variety - Hybrid OSR also seems doubly pointless as you can't even use saved seed & no yield benefit.
BTW what machine are you using to clean seed ?
Does anyone know of the result of the trial of new strains of wheat created by breeding from the original grass strain todays wheat originated from (spelt ?) News articles put forward yield increases of +20% some months back.
Have on occasion toyed with the idea of plant breeding & the ability to speed through more than one generation per year via green houses.
Interested in DD from the aspect of reduced weed pressure, however plough will have to do until £s & regimes fit. Will keep a close eye on what's happening - thanks again for posting the information you are putting forward we are taking note & weighing options
I used a mobile dressing company to clean and dress my seed, this year I'm set up with own cleaner so hope to DIY
Are you dressing the seed ?
Yes. Not got kit to do so yet though ! That's next weeks project !
Can you buy the treatments?
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Only some, you cannot buy some in less than an IBC, and others are only sold to "professionals", beret gold is available in 20L drums.
I haven't really seen the answer to this question yet in this thread, so:
Keep your money in your pocket on take all dressings. If you're going to grow a 3rd wheat on light land or sow second wheat in mid September then fair enough. After years of experiments on heavy land growing a lot of second wheat I came to the conclusion that I got my money back on the extra dressing 1 year in 5 which didn't make up for the cost of the treatments every year.
Wheat after spring barley after break? Very low risk.
2nd wheat after maize? Higher risk of take all as presumably it's lighter land if it grows maize. If it is lighter land then sow in October at a higher untreated seed rate instead.
To put costs into context, Deter is about £125/t but the lower seed rates used in early drilling make this much cheaper per acre or hectare.
@Woodlander
- Location
- South shropshire
Planning to get some wheat tested for bunt etc and if ok drill undressed. Anyone made a reasonable job of re cleaning by passing it back through the combine?, close the sieves and put plenty wind on should do a reasonable job?
The current disparity between grain price and seed price makes any short cut look worth trying.
Will grow some new treated C2 for next year.
The current disparity between grain price and seed price makes any short cut look worth trying.
Will grow some new treated C2 for next year.