Bps is a subsidy, always hearing how it’s vital to make farms profitable and loads worrying on here about it going. Surely if we are so good that wouldn’t be the case and it wouldn’t be needed?
Sfi/elms
- Thread starter Tucker86
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We're not talking about the BPS.
I was replying to the comment about these wonderful and amazing systems that apparently exist despite constantly hearing how fudged the industry is without BPS. Weird.
I don't see any of these discussions as being about how fudged or otherwise farming is without the BPS, but rather about the best way of spending £2.4Bn of public money.
It was a reply to someone else’s comment slightly off topic admittedly
R J
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- Herefordshire
Taking 10% of land out of production will certainly drop your yeild
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- Northumberlandia
We all know everything farming input related is all linked one way or another to the farm sub.
Everything is priced accordinly
but trying to all of a sudden get the inputs too re-adjust will take some doing & more so because of current better cereal & livestock returns
The tenants as usual are gonna be the ones with the bigger hill to climb tho.
Everything is priced accordinly
but trying to all of a sudden get the inputs too re-adjust will take some doing & more so because of current better cereal & livestock returns
The tenants as usual are gonna be the ones with the bigger hill to climb tho.
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Is it any different to set aside under the Macsharry reforms in 1992. Then there was a hard core of farmers and farm advisers that said crack on, farm 100% and do not enter the government scheme. Crumbs first couple of years there were a few that did exactly that. But by 1994 pretty much everyone had set aside. Was a different world. And to confound the Brexiter Tories the roll out of UK domestic ag policy to replace CAP has coincided with (a period) of strong commodity prices. Key difference to 1994. Each to their own though. Cheers.
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- S.E
Because there is. If you are tied to a system which dictates how you should be doing something instead of using knowledge and being adaptable to conditions. Don't get me wrong we dd...a bit, we min till...a bit, and we plough...a bit...even use cover crops...a bit. There is no way for £130/ha or 600kg of yield I am losing that flexibility, reliability, consistency.
Whilst the BPS has been helpful, I'm not sure if all its done is increase machinery/rent prices and allow inefficiency.
I suppose also it has allowed businesses to diversify, helping when commodity prices were below cop and at the end of the day, the vast majority of the money filtered down through the rural economies and ended up back where it started.
To be fair from what I’ve seen of SFI it’s so easy you can carry on doing all those things anyway and get the money. I really think people are over reacting, it’s really not that stringent.
R J
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- Herefordshire
No doubt for many it will
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- Northumberlandia
As i read it tho its worse if your already in various types of schemes & then have to forgo more cropping & i have to draw a line at that point the way cereal prices are atm.
For sure, the way the two lower tiers have been amended (ie the DD sub removed) makes them pretty much open to all.
( Which then begs the separate question; in spreading the pot over so many cropped acres, can the payment level per acre be high enough to be worth it ?) .
The bone of contention with many of these posts, is over the third tier, ie a sub for DD. I've said it wont happen, so I guess I shouldn't really react at all.
Of course, we aren’t actually in any scheme and haven’t signed up for SFI yet either
Even if it is in there it’s not enough money to make someone embrace a DD/conservation ag agronomic farming system as evident by these posts. The financial rewards of doing that go way beyond this little bit of money.
R J
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- Herefordshire
Yes very much like set aside , it will be a interesting few years ahead
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- Northumberlandia
food must be in short supply as we know all sorts of so called Climate Change weather events causing other farmers across the world in all sorts of places major issues
so as long as that continues those that have something too sell should to all purposes if they can of course keep doing so.
My late Father often said if you dont grow it you cant sell it.
so as long as that continues those that have something too sell should to all purposes if they can of course keep doing so.
My late Father often said if you dont grow it you cant sell it.
Our mixed farm with its plough based system ticks as many 'conservation agriculture' boxes as does any all arable farm employing DD. Which pretty much proves the point that we shouldn't be using public money to interfere in crop establishment techniques.
I know some who are plugging ten years worth of input and yield map data into clever analaytics software to create long term profitability maps which you can then forecast against different commodity prices and scenarios to see what outcomes will be. You can then use that data against your own scenario costings and due dilligence to make a more informed decision.
I know of one who found out 30% of his farm was regularly losing money and diluting the profit/yield. Was admittedly a large farm. Meant a restructure of machinery/overheads and a chunk of land out of production. Profits up. Haven’t done it yet myself but considering if only to be sure it’s actually the right thing to do and if the areas I suspect aren’t performing are as I think they are.