Should our waters be for our fishermen

willy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Rutland
I really don’t know the answer, but the obvious one would be that everyone fishes their own surely. I don’t see why the French seem so angry at the possibility of us saying non. They can do the same with us and we all supply the markets with what we naturally have.

it does seem that these brexit negotiations are starting to show the real cost of Europe to the uk for the last umpteen years. Fishing, net contributors (the Irish are in shock horror that they may have to put in more than they take out)
 

capfits

Member
Who is this our fisherman?
Go to any landing quay which lands from more than coastal waters and guess what they are crewed by Eastern Europeans and Phillipinos.
Crewing could get interesting when the new immigration rules come into play.
Same goes for the processing sector.
 

Martin Holden

Member
Grassland Exhibitor
Location
Cheltenham
Being an island nation surrounded by water, we should have a thriving fishing industry. Let’s get behind the industry and get them back to where they belong. Trust them not to overfish to keep stocks high. Don’t hear the vegan lobby saying fishing is anti environmental. Presumably if there were no fishing they would naturally die or the bigger fish would increase in numbers to eat the smaller brethren??
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Trouble is, no fishing industry left to speak of.:(

Thought that some of the UK fishing folk became slipper skippers and cashed the qouta to these Spanish / French fellas who carried on actually catching fish? Happy to be corrected. Few be here a bit miffed if having bought the leasehold to a field suddenly told that it was no longer yours to graze / crop and it was being given back to the fella you bought it from.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Being an island nation surrounded by water, we should have a thriving fishing industry. Let’s get behind the industry and get them back to where they belong. Trust them not to overfish to keep stocks high. Don’t hear the vegan lobby saying fishing is anti environmental. Presumably if there were no fishing they would naturally die or the bigger fish would increase in numbers to eat the smaller brethren??

Going to compensate the Spanish fella who bough the qouta?
 
The trouble is the Anglais understandably fish for what the British will eat. The British populace will not eat a lot of the stuff that could otherwise be caught and landed.

This is where allowing foreign vessels into the area to fish for other species they can sell elsewhere is useful.
 

robs1

Member
The trouble is the Anglais understandably fish for what the British will eat. The British populace will not eat a lot of the stuff that could otherwise be caught and landed.

This is where allowing foreign vessels into the area to fish for other species they can sell elsewhere is useful.
Yes and that can be agreed with the EU in the talks, they cant expect free uncontrolled access, after all they want control on stuff we want to sell into their markets, quid pro quo
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Thought that some of the UK fishing folk became slipper skippers and cashed the qouta to these Spanish / French fellas who carried on actually catching fish? Happy to be corrected. Few be here a bit miffed if having bought the leasehold to a field suddenly told that it was no longer yours to graze / crop and it was being given back to the fella you bought it from.
I know a skipper of a 40 meter boat. This is exactly what happened. Quota was sold to Spanish owners. All the crew of his last boat were polish or Russian.
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Trouble is, no fishing industry left to speak of.:(
Then it can rebuild to the point where the necessary market-level is reached. (y)

Who is this our fisherman?
Go to any landing quay which lands from more than coastal waters and guess what they are crewed by Eastern Europeans and Phillipinos.
Crewing could get interesting when the new immigration rules come into play.
Same goes for the processing sector.
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Fraser's back... :ROFLMAO: (sorry about the Union flag, you must hate that)

The trouble is the Anglais understandably fish for what the British will eat. The British populace will not eat a lot of the stuff that could otherwise be caught and landed.

This is where allowing foreign vessels into the area to fish for other species they can sell elsewhere is useful.
Still more useful to encourage our own fleet to expand and diversify.


In answer to the OP, yes, as required. It makes clear sense to encourage the industry to expand but, equally clearly, it can't expand overnight. So as it does re-grow, allowing foreign boats to fish on an annual quota basis makes sense. The amount of fishing being allocated to foreign boats decreasing as the home-fleet gets bigger.

This not only makes economic sense in the short-term, the way it would allow stocks to grow makes ecological and economic sense in the long-term too. :)
 

Martin Holden

Member
Grassland Exhibitor
Location
Cheltenham
Bit baffled by some replies. Forgot we sold quota to Spanish boats. I guess this happened when we were well and truly in the EU and they effectively decided how the grounds were carved up. Why shouldn’t British trawlers catch UK and Euro market species? Not being an expert on fishing grounds I assume our coastal waters are more interesting than those off the Western French and Spanish coasts?
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Bit baffled by some replies. Forgot we sold quota to Spanish boats. I guess this happened when we were well and truly in the EU and they effectively decided how the grounds were carved up. Why shouldn’t British trawlers catch UK and Euro market species? Not being an expert on fishing grounds I assume our coastal waters are more interesting than those off the Western French and Spanish coasts?


Me too - fishing hardly my area of knowledge - except catching a roach or two in the local river as a boy! When you say 'we' sold qouta, I think that needs clarification. It was not the UK that sold the qouta but individual qouta holders that sold it I think as qouta was allocated to boats. So a bit like UK BPS entitlements being sold to no UK farmers who could then claim in UK. So i just supposed there are a number of private individuals or companies holding UK qouta that is potentially worthless. I was interested to find out if I am correct in that understanding, and if so what the Leavers on this board would do for those folk. Compensate or not? In so far as catches is concerned I did watch that programme on the BBC (I know dreaded fake news BBC) last couple of weeks about Cornish fishermen - interesting programme.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Then it can rebuild to the point where the necessary market-level is reached. (y)


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Fraser's back... :ROFLMAO: (sorry about the Union flag, you must hate that)


Still more useful to encourage our own fleet to expand and diversify.


In answer to the OP, yes, as required. It makes clear sense to encourage the industry to expand but, equally clearly, it can't expand overnight. So as it does re-grow, allowing foreign boats to fish on an annual quota basis makes sense. The amount of fishing being allocated to foreign boats decreasing as the home-fleet gets bigger.

This not only makes economic sense in the short-term, the way it would allow stocks to grow makes ecological and economic sense in the long-term too. :)

Hi - reckon you might know! Was the qouta sold to fishermen in other EU countries. And if so with your lawyer hat on is there any rights of ownership or any courtesy to compensate them? Cheers.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Yes I just caught the last in the series. That “new” Newlyn harbourmaster’s got a lot on his plate.

Yes Newlyn - couldn't remember the place. I did not see all of the last programme, so must remember to watch it this weekend. I found it interesting. I noted they were employing Eastern Europeans - Latvians if I recall. No or few locals wanted the job. Which dangerous seemed reasonably well paid as on one of the programmes the skipper was divvying up with the crew and hand got getting on for £1000 for five albeit hard and potentially dangerous days a sea. Maybe not so good all the time. Cheers.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Then it can rebuild to the point where the necessary market-level is reached. (y)


View attachment 860696

Fraser's back... :ROFLMAO: (sorry about the Union flag, you must hate that)


Still more useful to encourage our own fleet to expand and diversify.


In answer to the OP, yes, as required. It makes clear sense to encourage the industry to expand but, equally clearly, it can't expand overnight. So as it does re-grow, allowing foreign boats to fish on an annual quota basis makes sense. The amount of fishing being allocated to foreign boats decreasing as the home-fleet gets bigger.

This not only makes economic sense in the short-term, the way it would allow stocks to grow makes ecological and economic sense in the long-term too. :)
Yes OK, but who's going to crew these boats.? My skipper pal reckons the reason that the crew were all foreign was that they couldn't get UK lads to come and do the job. Same as picking veg.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Then it can rebuild to the point where the necessary market-level is reached. (y)


View attachment 860696

Fraser's back... :ROFLMAO: (sorry about the Union flag, you must hate that)


Still more useful to encourage our own fleet to expand and diversify.


In answer to the OP, yes, as required. It makes clear sense to encourage the industry to expand but, equally clearly, it can't expand overnight. So as it does re-grow, allowing foreign boats to fish on an annual quota basis makes sense. The amount of fishing being allocated to foreign boats decreasing as the home-fleet gets bigger.

This not only makes economic sense in the short-term, the way it would allow stocks to grow makes ecological and economic sense in the long-term too. :)


By the way what happens if there is no upsurge in UK fishing boats as no Briton wants the job or business risk? I presume you would then licence non UK boats on an ongoing basis? Demand catches are landed in UK? I am just interested how Leavers see the fishing market develop. Just seems to me odd to possibly sacrifice financial services jobs for these fishing communities - but I am not that bright and up on these things. Cheers.
 

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