slurry storage

[Bruce Almighty]

We are thinking of switching from loose housing to cubicles.
What size/capacity slurry lagoon or store would we need for 100 cows (in an NVZ)

Thanks

 

[boumaticboy]

Whatever your calculations say build it twice as big.you never regret having too much storage

 

[Jdunn55]

Whatever your calculations say build it twice as big.you never regret having too much storage

The only trouble is how much slurry storage costs/will cost once the new regs are in, the bigger the pit the bigger the shed roof or cover or both plus all the extra kit etc

If I was the op I would strongly consider not getting cubicles, atleast until you know 100% what the new regs are going to require. Put cubicles in now and in 5 years time you may wish you stuck with loose housing

 

[frederick]

Look at slurry wizard on ahdb website for a calculator.
In my view you need to plan how your going to cover it and we are talking floating cover or tin tank and roof. Not sure you can have a floating cover without a separator.
You'll also want to plan 6 months storage as the minimum going forwards.

 

[farmerdan7618]

We are thinking of switching from loose housing to cubicles.
What size/capacity slurry lagoon or store would we need for 100 cows (in an NVZ)

Thanks

Might want to hang on one more year for slurry storage grants, consultation at the end of this year or early next.

Even if you don't qualify for grants, it will give a good idea on what the rules might be in future and will help with length of storage period calculations.

 

[lazy farmer]

Might want to hang on one more year for slurry storage grants, consultation at the end of this year or early next.

Even if you don't qualify for grants, it will give a good idea on what the rules might be in future and will help with length of storage period calculations.

If there’s a grant the cost will go up directly in proportion. Crack on.

 

[Ducati899]

The only trouble is how much slurry storage costs/will cost once the new regs are in, the bigger the pit the bigger the shed roof or cover or both plus all the extra kit etc

If I was the op I would strongly consider not getting cubicles, atleast until you know 100% what the new regs are going to require. Put cubicles in now and in 5 years time you may wish you stuck with loose housing

I was told by our catchment sensitive officer two weeks ago that a shed roof over a exisisting lagoon will not be good enough by 2027 If defras vision goes ahead and they would not be prepared to do one here on mid tier at this moment in time

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I was told by our catchment sensitive officer two weeks ago that a shed roof over a exisisting lagoon will not be good enough by 2027 If defras vision goes ahead and they would not be prepared to do one here on mid tier at this moment in time

what is their vision? Destroy all livestock farming, let loose Wolves, Lynx, Beavers and we can import all our food? Hills can be planted with pine trees. Lowland, can be left to brambles and scrub, unless it is being intensively farmed with large amounts of N, P, K, and a corresponding loss of both topsoil and entrapped carbon from the soil. Oh forgot to mention, endemic TB in all the Badgers too, and no song birds (as they all having their eggs and nests destroyed by Corvids).

 

[davidroberts30]

We are thinking of switching from loose housing to cubicles.
What size/capacity slurry lagoon or store would we need for 100 cows (in an NVZ)

Thanks

No rainwater at all 800cube
Lots of rainwater 3000cube

 

[vantage]

what is their vision?

Rose tinted, with nil experience.

 

[davidroberts30]

Rose tinted, with nil experience.

 

[kill]

what is their vision? Destroy all livestock farming, let loose Wolves, Lynx, Beavers and we can import all our food? Hills can be planted with pine trees. Lowland, can be left to brambles and scrub, unless it is being intensively farmed with large amounts of N, P, K, and a corresponding loss of both topsoil and entrapped carbon from the soil. Oh forgot to mention, endemic TB in all the Badgers too, and no song birds (as they all having their eggs and nests destroyed by Corvids).

But with full NFU support and extra rules NFU add via RT

 

[Ducati899]

what is their vision? Destroy all livestock farming, let loose Wolves, Lynx, Beavers and we can import all our food? Hills can be planted with pine trees. Lowland, can be left to brambles and scrub, unless it is being intensively farmed with large amounts of N, P, K, and a corresponding loss of both topsoil and entrapped carbon from the soil. Oh forgot to mention, endemic TB in all the Badgers too, and no song birds (as they all having their eggs and nests destroyed by Corvids).
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Nah more simple than that,basically a barn plonked over a lagoon isn’t going to be good enough. Which is odd as “self supporting structure” is in the list of things you can claim on mid tier

 

[jondear]

Nah more simple than that,basically a barn plonked over a lagoon isn’t going to be good enough. Which is odd as “self supporting structure” is in the list of things you can claim on mid tier

What else can you do ?

 

[Sid]

Make sure its an easy shape to cover over.

Last thing you want is a weird triangle shape or long thin lagoon that will increase the shed cost or have to do it again.

 

[Ducati899]

What else can you do ?

Floating cover I was told

 

[Sid]

Floating cover I was told

There are going to be some strange shaped covers around!

 

[Ducati899]

There are going to be some strange shaped covers around!

Sent a shiver down my spine when they started talking about fixed pumps and mixers under the cover and pump on top to pump rainwater away

 

[Sid]

Sent a shiver down my spine when they started talking about fixed pumps and mixers under the cover and pump on top to pump rainwater away

I reckon! How to complicated something beyond reason!

 

[Cowabunga]

what is their vision? Destroy all livestock farming, let loose Wolves, Lynx, Beavers and we can import all our food? Hills can be planted with pine trees. Lowland, can be left to brambles and scrub, unless it is being intensively farmed with large amounts of N, P, K, and a corresponding loss of both topsoil and entrapped carbon from the soil. Oh forgot to mention, endemic TB in all the Badgers too, and no song birds (as they all having their eggs and nests destroyed by Corvids).

Nobody believes me when I say that the vision and agenda is to almost eliminate ruminant livestock in order to tick the 'zero carbon emissions' and zero greenhouse gas emissions boxes. The reasonably quick decimation of the meat and milk industry over the next seven to ten years has zero political consequences and very little social consequence either, because farmers have micro-businesses that employ very few and even if you count the ancillary industries that supply and process, even the haulage, it is NOTHING compared to one large factory closing in an urban area, where maybe thousands would be put out of work, BANG!, just like that, all from a small area.

As long as they can import cheaply nobody cares or will care where the food comes from and they will, no doubt be allowed to wonder all over our land as if it was a park, which is basically what farmers will become, but without security of employment or a regular wage.

The political imperative to tick those boxes will be reinforced by greater access and the propaganda that wildlife will proliferate and water will be 'saved'. Its all very convenient and easy if you think about it.

For those unbelievers, I'd like to remind them once more to brush up on their late 19th and early 20thC history. There they will find that home agricultural food production has been dumped like the above several times before. History has a habit of repeating itself and all the signs are there, including the development of alternative factory grown foodstuffs, that it is about to happen again.
When you have big guns like this aimed at you, you should start ducking and running for cover, not investing in an industry with a shelf life measured in years of attrition and decline, not decades with a prosperous future ...

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