So many passes

[FarmerBruce]

Does anyone else think we go through our wheats too many times nowadays?
Pre em followed by insecticide
T0,1,2,3
Atlantis
3splits of N
Compound fert
Possibly a top of manganese.
Upto 12 passes! Far too many I’m starting to think.
May cut the fert to just 2 splits and do away with T0 in the future.

 

[Andrew K]

Quite agree, its a malaise suffered by Agronomists mainly, not prepared to take a risk.

 

[warksfarmer]

Does anyone else think we go through our wheats too many times nowadays?
Pre em followed by insecticide
T0,1,2,3
Atlantis
3splits of N
Compound fert
Possibly a top of manganese.
Upto 12 passes! Far too many I’m starting to think.
May cut the fert to just 2 splits and do away with T0 in the future.

Since moving away from serviced agronomy we aren’t to bad now. 1-2 herbicides, 2-3 fungicides, 3 Nitrogen although have done two in the past.
Manganese goes in with the fungicides.

 

[Gong Farmer]

This forum is starting to follow its own version of Godwin's law - every thread will eventually lead to a discussion of serviced agronomy

 

[spikeislander]

Ummmm as a farmer yes...
As spray contractor no.

 

[deleted user 837354]

12 passes? What the fudge?

Pre em.

T0

T1

T2

T3

2 goes with N. Finished. 7 total.

 

[FarmerBruce]

12 passes? What the fudge?

Pre em.

T0

T1

T2

T3

2 goes with N. Finished. 7 total.

No insecticide, no manganese, no Atlantis, no compound fert, no round up, no protein spray?????

 

[deleted user 837354]

No insecticide, no manganese, no Atlantis, no compound fert, no round up, no protein spray?????

You can put these things in with other stuff you know!

 

[An Gof]

12 passes? What the fudge?

Pre em.

T0

T1

T2

T3

2 goes with N. Finished. 7 total.

No p & k or lime?

 

[deleted user 837354]

No p & k or lime?

Dont you start!

 

[T Hectares]

TBH I'm not overly concerned with the amount of passes, the overall spend and margin are far more important....unless you are struggling with timeliness that is!!

I'd rather not compromise timings just to save a few quid on a sprayer pass or two.

 

[Hindsight]

Need to pay a contractor £12 a pass. Concentrates the mind whether something needs doing and can one combine tasks. No T0 for a start this spring.

 

[FarmerBruce]

You can put these things in with other stuff you know!

So what can you mix Atlantis with?
Round up?
Compound fert?
And if you’ve got a manganese deficiency you aren’t going to wait!!

 

[deleted user 837354]

You categorically do not need to do a pass just for manganese.

Insecticides or the mention thereof is heretical on the forum. Even slug pellets are frowned upon as a pellet might whack a rabbit on the head.

 

[deleted user 837354]

So what can you mix Atlantis with?
Round up?
Compound fert?
And if you’ve got a manganese deficiency you aren’t going to wait!!

Ive mixed Atlantis and manganese many times. Not on blackgrass mind. Ive put PGRs with it as well.

Compound fert is an autumn job or do a combined compound job first time out.

Roundup on stubbles or stale seedbeds is hardly time sensitive.

 

[FarmerBruce]

Ive mixed Atlantis and manganese many times. Not on blackgrass mind. Ive put PGRs with it as well.

Compound fert is an autumn job or do a combined compound job first time out.

Roundup on stubbles or stale seedbeds is hardly time sensitive.

You’ve not saved a pass putting growth regs in with Atlantis and I can categorically show you areas on this farm that if manganese is not applied before a T0 is due in certain years there would not be a crop!

 

[deleted user 837354]

You’ve not saved a pass putting growth regs in with Atlantis and I can categorically show you areas on this farm that if manganese is not applied before a T0 is due in certain years there would not be a crop!

That is fine but down here there is no spraying before T0 simply because 90 percent of the you wont travel.

 

[David.]

If you are doing CCC75 growth reg, why in the world not chuck a sniff of Teb and CTL in with it, cheap insurance surely, might not get back in there for a month...

 

[BenB]

You categorically do not need to do a pass just for manganese.

I can show you plenty of land where you do categorically need passes just for Manganese, and you don’t hang around waiting to decide if you can mix something with it, or patches of the crop will be gone.

 

[deleted user 837354]

I can show you plenty of land where you do categorically need passes just for Manganese, and you don’t hang around waiting to decide if you can mix something with it, or patches of the crop will be gone.

No doubt but it wont happen here.