So why are so many vaccinated people getting Covid?

[essex man]

Very interesting article on Original Antigenic Sin here:

More on Original Antigenic Sin and the Folly of Our Universal Vaccination Campaign

A deeper look at a decisive limitation of our adaptive immune systems.

eugyppius.substack.com

The basic premise being that when the human immune system first meets a new virus, the immune response that is created will then dominate the bodies response for the rest of that person's life. So if you get infected with flu aged 15 with flu variant A, your body will always try to use antibodies to Variant A first for the rest of your life, even as you catch Variants B, C and D over time. Its very difficult to change the bodies response, to stimulate new immune responses with vaccines etc, if you have already had an infection prior to vaccination. The response is always dominated by the first variant encountered.

Thus what we are doing with the vaccines is setting in stone a person's immune response to covid, to the spike protein from Variant Alpha, assuming they have not been infected naturally first of course. Thus its no surprise that when new variants arrive, such as Delta, immune response in vaccinated people is not as good - it is set up for the Alpha spike protein, and always will be, and can't cope as well with Delta. So over time, as covid mutates further and further away from Alpha, the vaccine efficiency will drop each time. And it will be no good giving boosters based on new variants, because the immune system doesn't learn very well once its had that initial infection. This is why flu vaccines don't work that well - by the time we get a flu vaccine we've most likely already had flu once in our lives, and that infection has set our immune response for good.

This is why vaccinating children is so dangerous, for them. Instead of them catching a disease which holds them virtually no danger whatsoever, and gaining a full immune response to the latest virus variant, they would be getting an immune response to just one part of an old variant that has virtually disappeared. An immune response that will then hamstring them for the rest of their lives as they struggle to cope with repeated infections from new variants over time. And as they have the longest to live out of all of us, they are going to face the most new variants.

Mmm....had just read that and thought it worth posting ...beat me to it!

 

[Guleesh]

Very interesting article on Original Antigenic Sin here:

More on Original Antigenic Sin and the Folly of Our Universal Vaccination Campaign

A deeper look at a decisive limitation of our adaptive immune systems.

eugyppius.substack.com

The basic premise being that when the human immune system first meets a new virus, the immune response that is created will then dominate the bodies response for the rest of that person's life. So if you get infected with flu aged 15 with flu variant A, your body will always try to use antibodies to Variant A first for the rest of your life, even as you catch Variants B, C and D over time. Its very difficult to change the bodies response, to stimulate new immune responses with vaccines etc, if you have already had an infection prior to vaccination. The response is always dominated by the first variant encountered.

Thus what we are doing with the vaccines is setting in stone a person's immune response to covid, to the spike protein from Variant Alpha, assuming they have not been infected naturally first of course. Thus its no surprise that when new variants arrive, such as Delta, immune response in vaccinated people is not as good - it is set up for the Alpha spike protein, and always will be, and can't cope as well with Delta. So over time, as covid mutates further and further away from Alpha, the vaccine efficiency will drop each time. And it will be no good giving boosters based on new variants, because the immune system doesn't learn very well once its had that initial infection. This is why flu vaccines don't work that well - by the time we get a flu vaccine we've most likely already had flu once in our lives, and that infection has set our immune response for good.

This is why vaccinating children is so dangerous, for them. Instead of them catching a disease which holds them virtually no danger whatsoever, and gaining a full immune response to the latest virus variant, they would be getting an immune response to just one part of an old variant that has virtually disappeared. An immune response that will then hamstring them for the rest of their lives as they struggle to cope with repeated infections from new variants over time. And as they have the longest to live out of all of us, they are going to face the most new variants.

As I had posted on another thread a while back, original antigenic sin is thought by some to be the reason the Spanish flu disproportionately killed so many people at around the age of thirty, whilst many of those younger and much much older never really suffered from it at all. A strain known as Russian flu had been the dominant flu when that generation were infants, which meant their immune systems responses were fixed slightly differently from those younger and older, resulting in them producing ineffective antigens, and leading to their rapid deaths.

It would appear to me to be a complete lottery, nobody knows what variants a person might need to fend off throughout their life so we don't know what strain is best for their first exposure as infants. I personally would have thought it would be best left to chance and also to have it varying between different people. Having every single infants immune system set up for a specific strain of coronavirus seems to me to be the equivalent of having all your eggs in one basket.

 

[essex man]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

 

[nails]

Very interesting article on Original Antigenic Sin here:

More on Original Antigenic Sin and the Folly of Our Universal Vaccination Campaign

A deeper look at a decisive limitation of our adaptive immune systems.

eugyppius.substack.com

The basic premise being that when the human immune system first meets a new virus, the immune response that is created will then dominate the bodies response for the rest of that person's life. So if you get infected with flu aged 15 with flu variant A, your body will always try to use antibodies to Variant A first for the rest of your life, even as you catch Variants B, C and D over time. Its very difficult to change the bodies response, to stimulate new immune responses with vaccines etc, if you have already had an infection prior to vaccination. The response is always dominated by the first variant encountered.

Thus what we are doing with the vaccines is setting in stone a person's immune response to covid, to the spike protein from Variant Alpha, assuming they have not been infected naturally first of course. Thus its no surprise that when new variants arrive, such as Delta, immune response in vaccinated people is not as good - it is set up for the Alpha spike protein, and always will be, and can't cope as well with Delta. So over time, as covid mutates further and further away from Alpha, the vaccine efficiency will drop each time. And it will be no good giving boosters based on new variants, because the immune system doesn't learn very well once its had that initial infection. This is why flu vaccines don't work that well - by the time we get a flu vaccine we've most likely already had flu once in our lives, and that infection has set our immune response for good.

This is why vaccinating children is so dangerous, for them. Instead of them catching a disease which holds them virtually no danger whatsoever, and gaining a full immune response to the latest virus variant, they would be getting an immune response to just one part of an old variant that has virtually disappeared. An immune response that will then hamstring them for the rest of their lives as they struggle to cope with repeated infections from new variants over time. And as they have the longest to live out of all of us, they are going to face the most new variants.

Amazing. Amazing that you believe the stuff on that site. Are those conclusions peer reviewed.
The Flu vaccine does not work? Most years it works well or there would be loads more problems. Where is all this coming from?

 

[Charlie Gill]

Well they had prior warning, the passenger would have had a vaccine passport

Tonga records first coronavirus case since start of pandemic

The island nation was one of the last countries in the world not to have reported any infections.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Mr Mackay]

I believe more people have had it than we realise. This is the only explanation I have for me not having felt like I have caught it this year. I can't explain it. I was in the same air space as multiple other people who were infected and felt rough as a result. Several other members of staff were ill with it, yet I was surprisingly unaffected. The only thing that is different about me is that I wear glasses. Does this make any difference?

Yes , it bounces off the lens , like a supermask

 

[Darzad]

The vast majority of hospitalisations and deaths are in the small part of the population who have chosen to not be vaccinated, thats good enough for me to choose a booster. Sod your conspiracy theories

Totally untrue! Israel is the most cov19 vaccinated country in the world (their military commanders were worried that if their defence forces started falling ill they would not have enough manpower available in the event of an uprising or invasion so they prioritised getting the whole country vaccinated). Right now Israel's hospitals are full and overflowing with people whom the Israeli government claim are "unvaccinated" because they now say that anyone who has not had at least 3 vaccinations are in fact "unvaccinated" and should be counted as such. What has happened is that the new mNRA has backfired and instead of staying in the original muscle injection site (which is what the producers said it would do - it has left the muscle and the vaccine is now causing the bodies defence system to treat covid as a non threat and to take no action against it!

When these people meet covid in the wild it runs rampant through their body and drugs are useless - they need ventilators and breathing gear. This was debated when the vaccines were being developed but because of the potential money making these fears were ignored and suppressed. The "booster" is not a booster at all; it is an attempt to alter the mNRA to reverse its current actions - whether this will work remains to be seen and even if it does nobody knows what the long term effect will be.

While all this is going on the company who won the Nobel prize for developing Ivermectin (listed on the World Health Organisation list as an "essential medicine" and which has been used in many countries as a prophylactic against covid has come out and said that it is useless against covid WHY??? because it is now out of patent and anybody who wants can make it without restriction BUT guess what, the company has just brought out a new, anti covid pill which is essentially the same as Ivermectin but with a new magic ingredient added which they hope will let them re-patent the drug and let them sell it at a huge profit (it has been costed at $28 to manufacture and they have already quoted the US government $700 per week for a 6 week course of the pills per person - not bad business but it makes a lot more sense to just take everyday Ivermectin as a prophylactic as they already do in many countries.

 

[Charlie Gill]

I saw the Israel stuff this morning, the reversal is working

 

[Princess Pooper]

Cases are largely irrelevant , yes the it affects the economy but the whole point of vaccination was to keep excess pressure off the NHS

...and stop people getting seriously ill/dying/suffering long Covid

 

[essex man]

Vaccination Status of Deaths and Hospitalisations – 13 September to 10 October 2021

Analysis of vaccination status of patients who have died or been hospitalised from COVID-19.

www.gov.uk

 

[Daniel]

My wife and I both had covid whilst unvaccinated, and the NHS provided antibody tests afterward which proved we have antibodies to it.

Given the fact it was no worse than a mild manflu with a few extra days of feeling really tired in the evenings afterwards, I can't really see why people are getting so worked up about vaccinating the under 50s without underlying health conditions.

Obviously there are a lot of people making ludicrously untestable claims about how they would have 'been far worse if they weren't double jabbed', but we are pretty sure we caught it from an already vaccinated friend, who reported almost identical symptoms to ours?

 

[Foxcover]

My wife and I both had covid whilst unvaccinated, and the NHS provided antibody tests afterward which proved we have antibodies to it.

Given the fact it was no worse than a mild manflu with a few extra days of feeling really tired in the evenings afterwards, I can't really see why people are getting so worked up about vaccinating the under 50s without underlying health conditions.

Obviously there are a lot of people making ludicrously untestable claims about how they would have 'been far worse if they weren't double jabbed', but we are pretty sure we caught it from an already vaccinated friend, who reported almost identical symptoms to ours?

Have you since had the vaccine?

 

[Daniel]

Have you since had the vaccine?

No, doesn't seem much point given it doesn't make you that ill and we now have natural antibodies? Will do another antibody test in a few months time and see if any remain.

This seems to me to be a sensible approach, and indeed would have been completely unremarkable until the sustained pro-vaccine propaganda of the last 12 months.

 

[Mr Mackay]

Vaccination Status of Deaths and Hospitalisations – 13 September to 10 October 2021

Analysis of vaccination status of patients who have died or been hospitalised from COVID-19.

www.gov.uk

What are we meant to deduce by that, may I ask?

Nothing remarkable about any of the figures on there Shirley?

 

[essex man]

What are we meant to deduce by that, may I ask?

Nothing remarkable about any of the figures on there Shirley?

No, nothing remarkable, just hear a lot about the deaths being mostly unvaccinated.
108 of 133 deaths had been vaccinated.
It's mostly just people dying when their time is up, as the mortality figures show, whether vaccinated or not

 

[Charlie Gill]

No, nothing remarkable, just hear a lot about the deaths being mostly unvaccinated.
108 of 133 deaths had been vaccinated.
It's mostly just people dying when their time is up, as the mortality figures show, whether vaccinated or not

Strange that under 50's and 60-69 year olds partially vaccinated had a death rate of zero. Small study? Widespread mask wearing?

 

[essex man]

Strange that under 50's and 60-69 year olds partially vaccinated had a death rate of zero. Small study? Widespread mask wearing?

It's only northern Ireland so numbers small.
I'll take the "Mask wearing" as a failed wind up

 

[Mouser]

Strange that under 50's and 60-69 year olds partially vaccinated had a death rate of zero. Small study? Widespread mask wearing?

Wont be many partially vaccinated adults left now will there? Either vaxxed or not.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Wont be many partially vaccinated adults left now will there? Either vaxxed or not.

I was just having a bit of fun but got caught out, but yes you're prob right.

 

[Mouser]

I was just having a bit of fun but got caught out, but yes you're prob right.

I know the feeling, the arguments have died off now that the numbers present such strong evidence. Fingers crossed vaccine mandates and green passes die off too.