Spring as Winter

[Jerry]

Still mulling over rotation and a few other things, one aim is to be 100% HSS for all grain.

But was wondering if you can drill spring barley varieties as winter?

Will have both Sienna and Propino.

Note I’m on free draining sandy soil close to south coast of Devon

Am I mad to even think it?

 

[Bovril]

I drilled propino on 3rd Jan this year. Looks good. We didn't have a hard winter though..,

 

[AndrewM]

two problems i think, potentially very high disease pressure and risk of late frost killing it off. if you get a mild winter im not sure its going to stop developing, it might try and start flowering to early in the spring and therefore be at risk of frost damage. it could also just get to lush over winter and get full of disease.

you do see spring barley volunteers in winter barley, so they survive some years.

seen plenty drilled December/ January after beet up country, but the colder temps keep a check on it.

i think devon will have too mild a winter climate. try an acre, not a field if u feel like it.

 

[shakerator]

Still mulling over rotation and a few other things, one aim is to be 100% HSS for all grain.

But was wondering if you can drill spring barley varieties as winter?

Will have both Sienna and Propino.

Note I’m on free draining sandy soil close to south coast of Devon

Am I mad to even think it?

Not mad to consider it
But not a good idea imv!

 

[Brisel]

Is this a 3 crop rule box ticking exercise? I think the varieties are split into spring & winter regardless of drilling date.

 

[Fuzzy]

Still mulling over rotation and a few other things, one aim is to be 100% HSS for all grain.

But was wondering if you can drill spring barley varieties as winter?

Will have both Sienna and Propino.

Note I’m on free draining sandy soil close to south coast of Devon

Am I mad to even think it?

I drilled SB for 2 years running in late oct, first year it outyielded WB, second year it did about a 1 tonne an acre !!! It was only 7 acres in my case due to 3 crop rule on a customers block of land.

 

[Jerry]

I drilled propino on 3rd Jan this year. Looks good. We didn't have a hard winter though..,

We often get a kind winter and did consider drilling barley late Jan this year but timings with other stuff got in the way.

 

[Jerry]

two problems i think, potentially very high disease pressure and risk of late frost killing it off. if you get a mild winter im not sure its going to stop developing, it might try and start flowering to early in the spring and therefore be at risk of frost damage. it could also just get to lush over winter and get full of disease.

you do see spring barley volunteers in winter barley, so they survive some years.

seen plenty drilled December/ January after beet up country, but the colder temps keep a check on it.

i think devon will have too mild a winter climate. try an acre, not a field if u feel like it.

Yes. One of the reasons I came up with the idea was seeing barley volunteers in wheat. They look to be ok.

But a mild winter and it could be a lush mess.

 

[Jerry]

Is this a 3 crop rule box ticking exercise? I think the varieties are split into spring & winter regardless of drilling date.

No. 3 crop rule here is easy with an open rotation and parsnips as well

 

[pdagriservices]

We grow Maris Otter Malting barley in Winter! Its originally a 60 year old spring variety so I can t see a problem?

 

[Barry]

It used to be more popular than it is now, but certainly I have seen a fair amount going in the ground in December/January. And to my knowledge, and this is not a recommendation, without any significant issues.

Barry

 

[neilo]

We often get a kind winter and did consider drilling barley late Jan this year but timings with other stuff got in the way.

A ‘kind winter’? Do you get any winter at all?

 

[Jerry]

A ‘kind winter’? Do you get any winter at all?

Minus 17 I think it was for a few nights in beast from the east, thankfully all crops were under a blanket of snow!

Winter just gone was mild and dry other than a week before Christmas. Started lambing in Feb at 14 degrees!