Steel mobile sheep race

[Cluster_monkey]

With the grant on looking for a steel mobile yard, now I know the Ali systems are years ahead but money is tight and sheep numbers low so can’t justify one!
So what’s out there looked at the fowrass and GSF so far, is there any others To consider? Cheers

 

[JP1]

With the grant on looking for a steel mobile yard, now I know the Ali systems are years ahead but money is tight and sheep numbers low so can’t justify one!
So what’s out there looked at the fowrass and GSF so far, is there any others To consider? Cheers

Modulamb

 

[Northern territory]

Do you have other things to spend the minimum 7k on. If not better going for an ally one

 

[Cluster_monkey]

Do you have other things to spend the minimum 7k on. If not better going for an ally one

The way the grant works you don’t have to spend 7.5k on the trailer just get to total allowance over 7.5k which the handling system it’s self isn’t far of

 

[Northern territory]

Yes but one way or another you have to spend the minimum amount

 

[David.]

T.Binns or Glendale trailer/race.
And aluminium hurdles of your choice to make up spend, I'd have Scotpen ones, then upside down, they are great for dividing up lambing yards.

 

[neilo]

Yes but one way or another you have to spend the minimum amount

Not on the English & Welsh schemes. What you actually spend isn’t relevant, as the prices are all ‘standard’ prices. You can get a grant for 40% of the £7k (or whatever the grant price is now) for a mobile yard filling the spec, then buy one for £2k if you can source one.

The new Scottish scheme works in a different way I believe, with the actual spend needing to be a certain amount.

 

[Northern territory]

Not on the English & Welsh schemes. What you actually spend isn’t relevant, as the prices are all ‘standard’ prices. You can get a grant for 40% of the £7k (or whatever the grant price is now) for a mobile yard filling the spec, then buy one for £2k if you can source one.

The new Scottish scheme works in a different way I believe, with the actual spend needing to be a certain amount.

Say I bought an auto clamp for 7 or 8 k then can I get 40% of that amount. As I understood it I can only get 40% of there estimate of £3300.

 

[neilo]

Do IAE still do their steel ones? I’ve not heard of them since they were launched (NSA Sheep Event 2018?).

I always thought that, if I was buying one now, it would probably be a Glendale trailer with a few hurdles, which could be used at a few permanently built (wire netting) holding pens dotted about the farm.

 

[neilo]

Say I bought an auto clamp for 7 or 8 k then can I get 40% of that amount. As I understood it I can only get 40% of there estimate of £3300.

in England or Wales, you would get 40% of the ‘list price (say £8k?) or £3200, regardless of whether you actually spent £2k or £20k. The item just has to fit the spec on the grant details.
A steel system can be bought that meets the spec, for little more than the £3200 I would expect.

 

[Jellyfarm]

Do IAE still do their steel ones? I’ve not heard of them since they were launched (NSA Sheep Event 2018?).

I always thought that, if I was buying one now, it would probably be a Glendale trailer with a few hurdles, which you be used at a few permanently built (wire netting) holding pens dotted about the farm.

This is exactly our set up! Glendale trailer is solid and does not move when lowered and we carry about 10 aluminium hurdles and a gate or 2 around to our larger netted pens/funnels for handling - we think it makes life as easy as possible, and removes hurdles from fields which would just get nicked.

Only disadvantage of Glendale trailer is can't be pulled by mule or quad - that doesn't matter to us
J

 

[Northern territory]

in England or Wales, you would get 40% of the ‘list price (say £8k?) or £3200, regardless of whether you actually spent £2k or £20k. The item just has to fit the spec on the grant details.
A steel system can be bought that meets the spec, for little more than the £3200 I would expect.

So basically you can get 40 percent on an item as long as it meets criteria and is over 7.5 k.

 

[neilo]

So basically you can get 40 percent on an item as long as it meets criteria and is over 7.5 k.

In England and Wales, if the list price (in the grant’s list) of an item is £7500 then you would receive £3000, so long as the item bought fills the listed spec. It makes no difference whether you actually spend £2k or £20k on the item, you’d still receive £3k in grant money.

The Scottish scheme works differently I think.

 

[Northern territory]

In England and Wales, if the list price (in the grant’s list) of an item is £7500 then you would receive £3000, so long as the item bought fills the listed spec. It makes no difference whether you actually spend £2k or £20k on the item, you’d still receive £3k in grant money.

The Scottish scheme works differently I think.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Al R]

So basically you can get 40 percent on an item as long as it meets criteria and is over 7.5 k.

Yes, so say the item you want they have down as £7500 and you get 40% of that (£3000), the Welsh scheme worked that if it was an item that cost £12,000 you only got £3000 grant so works out at 25% grant. It was also in points and you had to go over a certain amount of points, a handling system and 2 hurdles put me over the minimum points but the handling system alone didn’t.

 

[neilo]

Yes, so say the item you want they have down as £7500 and you get 40% of that (£3000), the Welsh scheme worked that if it was an item that cost £12,000 you only got £3000 grant so works out at 25% grant. It was also in points and you had to go over a certain amount of points, a handling system and 2 hurdles put me over the minimum points but the handling system alone didn’t.

The points only came into it if that round of the scheme was oversubscribed and applications had to be ranked. I added a cheap solar electric fencer to my application, purely to lift my points average up in case that happened. Points didn’t matter as it happened.

 

[Al R]

The points only came into it if that round of the scheme was oversubscribed and applications had to be ranked. I added a cheap solar electric fencer to my application, purely to lift my points average up in case that happened. Points didn’t matter as it happened.

No as apparently they were all well under subscribed. For most finding the rest of the money was the problem from what I was told.

 

[Nithsdale]

In England and Wales, if the list price (in the grant’s list) of an item is £7500 then you would receive £3000, so long as the item bought fills the listed spec. It makes no difference whether you actually spend £2k or £20k on the item, you’d still receive £3k in grant money.

The Scottish scheme works differently I think.

Is that right?


You're right that it's different up here.
Like your grants, each item in the grant has a price limit.

Using your example, with an item price list of £7500 - if we buy the item for £7500 or less, we get 50% of its value in the grant. So if it only cost you £4000, you'd only get £2000 grant money.

BUT if you buy something which is listed at £7500, but the real price comes in at £9000 - you will only receive 50% of their list price - so £3750 and not £4500.

The Scottish system you do not get extra money for nothing, which I think is the right way to do these grants (but obviously I'd prefer your model)

 

[neilo]

Is that right?


You're right that it's different up here.
Like your grants, each item in the grant has a price limit.

Using your example, with an item price list of £7500 - if we buy the item for £7500 or less, we get 50% of its value in the grant. So if it only cost you £4000, you'd only get £2000 grant money.

BUT if you buy something which is listed at £7500, but the real price comes in at £9000 - you will only receive 50% of their list price - so £3750 and not £4500.

The Scottish system you do not get extra money for nothing, which I think is the right way to do these grants (but obviously I'd prefer your model)

The Welsh & English grants were put out as they were in order to make them really simple to access, and easy/cheap to administer. They certainly achieved that, even though some still reckoned that it was a waste of time/too complicated/would put prices up by 40% over night.

The Scottish govt seem to have taken that basic idea, then made it more complicated for farmers to access, and more expensive to administer. The money they might save from any farmers not spending the ‘list price’, will be swallowed up by inspections & administration.
Civil servants looking after their jobs, as usual.

 

[shearerlad]

@neilo nail and head there about scotgov rural administration being overly complicated and severely expensive