Sunak is..........

[Danllan]

What we don't know is what Starmer / Cooper already know. If there's been a serious breach and a paper trail from the Civil Service side proving that, it will be more difficult for Sunak to brush things off

She's not my cup of tea but there has to be someone to represent the Farage wing, so I agree it's up to her to start proving herself but there could already be a big hostage to fortune

I think it would be very difficult to underestimate how much Yvette Cooper knows about anything, or her ability to look more like an annoyed sparrow than a competent crossexaminer. (though to be fair, she could do an uncannily good Tintin impression when she was younger.)

Not got a very high opinion of Ms Cooper* which she never fails to reinforce with her determined refusal to actually say anything or asking anything relevant in Commons' debates.



*And it's not just because the only thing she's done that even approaches a real job was a couple of years as a journo'.

 

[BrianV]

I think it would be very difficult to underestimate how much Yvette Cooper knows about anything, or her ability to look more like an annoyed sparrow than a competent crossexaminer. (though to be fair, she could do an uncannily good Tintin impression when she was younger.)

Not got a very high opinion of Ms Cooper* which she never fails to reinforce with her determined refusal to actually say anything or asking anything relevant in Commons' debates.



*And it's not just because the only thing she's done that even approaches a real job was a couple of years as a journo'.

Sadly she’s one of the “brighter” Labour women MPs!

 

[JP1]

I think it would be very difficult to underestimate how much Yvette Cooper knows about anything, or her ability to look more like an annoyed sparrow than a competent crossexaminer. (though to be fair, she could do an uncannily good Tintin impression when she was younger.)

Not got a very high opinion of Ms Cooper* which she never fails to reinforce with her determined refusal to actually say anything or asking anything relevant in Commons' debates.



*And it's not just because the only thing she's done that even approaches a real job was a couple of years as a journo'.

Cooper's question to Suella Braverman was handled by another Minister in the Commons. I actually agree with you regarding "Blair's babes" BUT she only has to be the conveyor of any official documentation regarding Suella's unsuitability to keep schtum and Starmer will have the ammo to sink this particular ship (IMHO)

 

[caveman]

As in all things of such seriousness and importance, why have they not been brought forward for account a long time ago?

 

[Danllan]

Cooper's question to Suella Braverman was handled by another Minister in the Commons. I actually agree with you regarding "Blair's babes" BUT she only has to be the conveyor of any official documentation regarding Suella's unsuitability to keep schtum and Starmer will have the ammo to sink this particular ship (IMHO)

Yes, that was the newly en-cabineted Jeremy Quin, who I mentioned earlier. We'll see about what Cooper has or hasn't got - but I don't think it unlikely that Sunak ran the idea of her appointment by the AG, SG and, possibly, Treasury Counsel too (though maybe not, because less informal) before he settled upon her.

You raise an interesting thing in re 'Blair's babes', I'd forgotten that phrase.... we now know as fact that Starmer is ruthlessly replacing Corbyn's cretins - my choice of words - meaning the very leftist types who came to constituency prominence during his time. And why? Because, as senior Labour MPs have confessed to journalists, there simply is not the level or numbers of talent necessary at the moment even assuming current Labour MPs and approved candidates in the necessary fifty odd seats get elected.

One of Corbyn's 'star' accolytes is widely regarded to be the beautiful Richard Burgon. Yet, if you can identify anyone on the Labour benches more automaton-like, less inspiring, more dogmatic and less persuasive in debate, I'll be quite surprised - and delighted.

 

[JP1]

One of Corbyn's 'star' accolytes is widely regarded to be the beautiful Richard Burgon. Yet, if you can identify anyone on the Labour benches more automaton-like, less inspiring, more dogmatic and less persuasive in debate, I'll be quite surprised - and delighted.

His Twitter posts keep popping up on my feed even though I don't follow him. He's awful and very annoying

Jess Philips has that capacity to tread a fine line between annoying and almost sincere / humorous

I doubt Harriet Harman will ever lose her crown as THE most annoying although David Lammy's LBC radio show with it's one dimensional angle on race comes a very close second - considering his (Senior) brief , he talks about nothing else like he's a newly elected constituency MP trying to garner support

 

[neilo]

Yes, that was the newly en-cabineted Jeremy Quin, who I mentioned earlier. We'll see about what Cooper has or hasn't got - but I don't think it unlikely that Sunak ran the idea of her appointment by the AG, SG and, possibly, Treasury Counsel too (though maybe not, because less informal) before he settled upon her.

You raise an interesting thing in re 'Blair's babes', I'd forgotten that phrase.... we now know as fact that Starmer is ruthlessly replacing Corbyn's cretins - my choice of words - meaning the very leftist types who came to constituency prominence during his time. And why? Because, as senior Labour MPs have confessed to journalists, there simply is not the level or numbers of talent necessary at the moment even assuming current Labour MPs and approved candidates in the necessary fifty odd seats get elected.

One of Corbyn's 'star' accolytes is widely regarded to be the beautiful Richard Burgon. Yet, if you can identify anyone on the Labour benches more automaton-like, less inspiring, more dogmatic and less persuasive in debate, I'll be quite surprised - and delighted.

You paint a damning picture of the current crop of Labour politicians, which could well be accurate. Does that not make it even more concerning that the opinion polls currently have them well ahead of the Conservative Party?

 

[Danllan]

You paint a damning picture of the current crop of Labour politicians, which could well be accurate. Does that not make it even more concerning that the opinion polls currently have them well ahead of the Conservative Party?

Not really, there simply hasn't been a government for several weeks, pathetic. Give Sunak a few weeks and the polls will veer his way.

 

[stewart]

Not really, there simply hasn't been a government for several weeks, pathetic. Give Sunak a few weeks and the polls will veer his way.

I agree and believe that Sunak will be ok, the telling question is though why did the Tory members vote for Liz Truss?
Richi had the backing of his fellow MPs all the way, which would indicate that he had a better chance of uniting the party than Liz, yet when it came to the Members votes they went for Truss and what a cockup that turned out to be.

 

[Danllan]

I agree and believe that Sunak will be ok, the telling question is though why did the Tory members vote for Liz Truss?
Richi had the backing of his fellow MPs all the way, which would indicate that he had a better chance of uniting the party than Liz, yet when it came to the Members votes they went for Truss and what a cockup that turned out to be.

Not 'telling' at all, she was seen as the more personable and reflected the views of the party as a whole more than Sunak did, or does. But it was based on the presumption that she wouldn't govern like a total f^ckwit...

The MPs make up something like 0.5% of the party, so what Sunak got from them was 38% of that 0.5%, compared to Truss getting 31%. On that basis his 'uniting' ability was statistically nigh-on identical to Liz's.

Whereas now the Party's back is against the wall so his getting majority support from MPs and then overwhelming support from them, is not in the least surprising. And ditto the membership as a whole.

I voted for Truss because I felt and still think Sunak a sneaky little git, but he is at least a sneaky little git who is competent fiscally...

 

[BrianV]

I agree and believe that Sunak will be ok, the telling question is though why did the Tory members vote for Liz Truss?
Richi had the backing of his fellow MPs all the way, which would indicate that he had a better chance of uniting the party than Liz, yet when it came to the Members votes they went for Truss and what a cockup that turned out to be.

Something to do with most old Tory members unable to see further than the end of their nose,

 

[Ashtree]

You paint a damning picture of the current crop of Labour politicians, which could well be accurate. Does that not make it even more concerning that the opinion polls currently have them well ahead of the Conservative Party?

If @Danllan ’s assessment of Labour MP’s, is even remotely as accurate as his assessment of Lizzie, then you have no worries about your next government.
In fact, all the available hard evidence, emphatically declares, that a bunch of lads down the local, would be better than the bunch of feral cats, which now make up the Tory party.
#thecountryneedstogivethetoriesalongsabaticaltogettheuselesscnutssortedonceandforall

 

[stewart]

Something to do with most old Tory members unable to see further than the end of their nose,

Their nose that grows daily?

 

[JP1]

 

[JP1]

 

[stewart]

I voted for Truss because I felt and still think Sunak a sneaky little git, but he is at least a sneaky little git who is competent fiscally...

The two are not mutually exclusive!

 

[Danllan]

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I think that's a bit of schadenfreude from the German press for ours printing things like 'Germany still doing nothing' on a daily basis in re Ukraine...

 

[wanton dwarf]

...but a different leader ....
Have you noticed how ,when a football team doesn't perform, they change the leader and not the team. ...note Aston Villa recently poor form they sacked Gerrard and put someone new in and hey ho a 4 nil win for their next match ..... sometimes its not about the team its about the leader .
Hopefully it's the case with Sunak

The reasons to get rid of Truss where due to external Credit Rating markets - specifically 3 organisations in the USA. Their ratings directly affect lending rates worldwide.

"With a combined market share of about 95%, Standard & Poor's, Moody's Investors Service, and Fitch Ratings are the three most well-known international credit rating agencies."

Probably the most important measure concerning the £ is the USA interest rate. Notice how the exchange rate against the $ has dropped for almost a year.

Note how Richi kept is job despite the £ falling about 25p, whereas Truss lost her job with the £ falling less than 10p

Regardless it's the USA that is moving rates all over the world, including the EU.

 

[Hindsight]

The reasons to get rid of Truss where due to external Credit Rating markets - specifically 3 organisations in the USA. Their ratings directly affect lending rates worldwide.

"With a combined market share of about 95%, Standard & Poor's, Moody's Investors Service, and Fitch Ratings are the three most well-known international credit rating agencies."

Probably the most important measure concerning the £ is the USA interest rate. Notice how the exchange rate against the $ has dropped for almost a year.

Note how Richi kept is job despite the £ falling about 25p, whereas Truss lost her job with the £ falling less than 10p

Regardless it's the USA that is moving rates all over the world, including the EU.

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Interesting stuff. Way beyond me. all i can see is very powerful folk just did not like Truss Kwarteng and their supporters. And lo a few days later they are gone. History. And Sunak installed. Am still processing this quite phenomenal sequence. Hey ho.

 

[Hindsight]

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Hope they are on sale or return. What a waste of taxpayers money. One would be enough and that could be bought for a few quid from a bric a brac shop. Can see why they need all this tax that they go on about. makes a mockery of the ordinary person trying to save a few pence. All are charlatans.