T1 Spend???

[Andy26]

One thing this forum shows is that what one person does in not right or somebody else is wrong, crop husbandry has several fundamentals and the rest is decisions based on experience and opinion.

There's no doubt agronomy is subjective, there's no right or wrong and only hindsight will prove whar was or wasn't correct.

A solid base should underpin it all though.

I look after a friends crops who didn't drill until Jan/Feb, he crops will never yield 4t/ac no matter what we throw at it so all it has had so far is 1.0 Cherokee with Manganese, etc and will get a GS39 spray of SDHI and a tick the box tebuconazole on the ear, total cost no more than. £50 per ha. Compare this to where I have good crops which still have great potential we shall probably end up around £70-80 per ha, so agree can reduce when yield potential has gone......that said no matter what we do if the sun doesn't shine during grain fill yields will be hit, all we can do is ensure crop is in best possible shape when we enter that period

Sounds very sensible to me.

 

[Andy26]

Always interests me that people assume chemicals are expensive. Suppose because I work for a manufacturer I would say so, but if you look at farm cost increases against inflation the only two things that haven't kept up are the two we are most short of......new chemicals and labour, both pesticides and wage costs have increased less than inflation...fertiliser, field and wearing parts are biggest increases

But is this not because PPP are very much priced on a 'Value' basis rather than a 'Cost plus' basis, so what the market will stand is more important than the cost of production of the input in question?

 

[DRC]

Turned out to be a better day than i thought ,and the lighter ground traveled ok. So i got quite a bit of T1 done.
The problem i have is , about half an hour after i finished the sky turned black, it started to thunder and the rain came down.
How long do you think it needs to dry on the leaf. i've a feeling i will have to redo the last 26 acres!

 

[Clive]

Turned out to be a better day than i thought ,and the lighter ground traveled ok. So i got quite a bit of T1 done.
The problem i have is , about half an hour after i finished the sky turned black, it started to thunder and the rain came down.
How long do you think it needs to dry on the leaf. i've a feeling i will have to redo the last 26 acres!

I always reckon an hour really

Knocked our sprayer off at 6pm as the radar looked like we would catch as shower within an hour or so but 2.30hrs latter still dry - missed getting another 100ac done

If its dry tomorrow we should get finished though with another early start

I can find some septoria walking fields today so I think it needs to be on now

 

[JCfarmer]

I try to work on 2hrs generally if at all possible. Going on with 1.5l cherokee, 0.5l starane,20g ally and 1-2l of chlormequat, some nice broad leaved weeds growing and volunteer osr! Shame to kill out the osr!!! no manganese in this mix as it could have adverse effects. Wheats had 0.5-1l of chlormequat and 2l manganese 2weeks+ ago, another 2l of manganese will go on at flag leaf.

 

[Clive]

Think this might be worthwhile reading for some on this thread

http://www.hgca.com/publications/documents/WheatDiseaseManagementGuideSpring09.pdf

 

[Andy26]

So i got quite a bit of T1 done.
The problem i have is , about half an hour after i finished the sky turned black, it started to thunder and the rain came down.
How long do you think it needs to dry on the leaf. i've a feeling i will have to redo the last 26 acres!

If you look at the rainfast graph comparing standard Opus with Ignite, it will give you some idea. It appears the Opus has some good activity even with irrigation 15 mins later, so half an hour, you could well be all fine.

http://www.agricentre.basf.co.uk/ag...products/ignite/stickstay/Stick_and_Stay.html

I had the same problem, although like Clive below the rain didn't materalise despite the threatening sky, although I could see it raining near by.

 

[einstein]

Must agree with the post of andy protect the flag leaf. And emerging ear. A simple blend of systemic s and surface based things like clorothanolil. Plus of course an insecticide to control present thrips and potential aphids at time of application

Dont think i have ever had to spray for thrips in this part of the world-come to think of it i havent had to spray for aphids late in the season for as long as i can remember.

 

[einstein]

Think this might be worthwhile reading for some on this thread

http://www.hgca.com/publications/documents/WheatDiseaseManagementGuideSpring09.pdf

i know the basics still stand but with the date of that link/publication the varieties and chemisty need updating.Is there a newer version??

 

[Woodlander]

Yes there is a newer version. Was updated annually but i think they just published dose response curves this year.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I've been told. 1l/ha of kingdom, plus 1 litre of bravo plus 1.5 cycocel. I think it is very expensive for t1.
West Wales tho septoria pressure always high but still....

Final cost £35.65/ha. Supply only

Not too bad considering we have had plenty of rain and the crops have been well protected. I think one area I've got to get to grips with is sourcing cheaper fungicide but we're a distance out here and so less competition.

 

[T C]

Supply only T1 the standard mix made up of Bravo 1l, Justice 0.1, Amber (Epiconazole) 0.7, CCC 1.5 MnDF 1kg costing just over £25/Ha
Second wheats have had a little more spent based around tracker / whistle.

 

[DRC]

Stronghold 1.8l/ha
Spitfire0.85l/ha
Chord1l/ha
Justice0.1l/ha
Cleavers mayweed,groundsel,+T1[septoria,mildew]
Some fields,less forward,are having 0.8 of Chord and Belcocel700 at 1.5l/ha plus the spitfire and justice.
One field is also having AllyMax sx 42gms/ha added due to some Docks.

Bill arrived today for that mix . Worked out at £51.83/ha[£20.97/acre]Serviced Agronomy.

 

[Elmsted]

Bill arrived today for that mix . Worked out at £51.83/ha[£20.97/acre]Serviced Agronomy.

Silverfox. Please I just fail to see how in one pass you have very slightly spent more per hectare in one pass than I reckon to spend per hectare for a growing season. Given we sell to same buyers at same price wheat. Not critices the agronomy or the prices or the logic. Just query why.

 

[DRC]

Silverfox. Please I just fail to see how in one pass you have very slightly spent more per hectare in one pass than I reckon to spend per hectare for a growing season. Given we sell to same buyers at same price wheat. Not critices the agronomy or the prices or the logic. Just query why.

When you say why, do you mean why spray at all, or why the price differential.I'm at a loss to understand how to grow a decent crop of wheat without spending on it, but am willing to learn, that's why i posted the figures.

 

[cricketandcrops]

Silverfox. Please I just fail to see how in one pass you have very slightly spent more per hectare in one pass than I reckon to spend per hectare for a growing season. Given we sell to same buyers at same price wheat. Not critices the agronomy or the prices or the logic. Just query why.

I would be interested too how you grow a complete crop for £20 per ac, we average £70-£80 for everything, herbicides, fungicides, insecticides, PGR and trace elements

 

[warksfarmer]

I would be interested too how you grow a complete crop for £20 per ac, we average £70-£80 for everything, herbicides, fungicides, insecticides, PGR and trace elements

I reckon thats to much as well. Cant see £20 as Stephen says but cant see why we cant be around the £50/ac or a bit less.

 

[cricketandcrops]

Herbicide £87.10 per ha
Insecticides £3.00 per ha
PGR £9.95 per ha
Trace Elements £2.49 per ha
Fungicide £81.68 per ha

Total = £184.22 per ha (£74.55 per ac) -- THIS IS FOR WINTER WHEAT COSTS FOR 2012/2013 CROP - only thing estimated is T3 fungicide (straight tebuconazole)

I fail to see where could cut back - perhaps herbicide and let black grass take total control - then cut back on fungicide as no crop left to treat

 

[Clive]

I think he might be making the point that as usual we pay more for inputs in the UK then just about anyone else in the world

 

[cricketandcrops]

he could be correct although I doubt we are paying 375 % more

I have a couple of friends I look after where the herbicide spend is much less (no blackgrass!!) - therefore very difficult to compare anything unless farms are identical - the joy of farming is it is all very different, would be boring if everyone was and did the same