T2

[John Slejpner]

Elatus Plus is in the shed for T2 / T2.5 aka Head and Shoulders aka early Ear.
T1.5 currently going on Skyfall with leaf 2 50% out- 0.75 mantra / lots of K some Mg / no PGR - following a T0.5 of 1.2 Alto Elite
If it does not rain the flag/ear spray might be 0.4 Proline + half rate pryraclostrobin and shut the gate. The Elatus can wait a year.

The flag on said skyfall will be right tight behind leaf 2, and the ear asap thereafter.
Plenty of tillers leaf 5 and older has gone, a few leaf 4 is going/gone. An oddity of a half acre of gravelly sandy loam is 8 inch high toast.
A potential mildew issue in Skyfall is evaporating by the day.

 

[rob1]

costello here has leaf two almost fully unrolled, flag leaf will be poking out by the end of the week I reckon T2 should be right for 21 days after T1, I was worried I had jumped the gun doing T1 but think it was about right now, not hard to find septoria in the bottom of the crop so glad I used some imtrex at T1 to keep leaf 3 and four clean and remove any building infection, going to be bloody expensive without CTL if even possible

 

[yellow belly]

costello here has leaf two almost fully unrolled, flag leaf will be poking out by the end of the week I reckon T2 should be right for 21 days after T1, I was worried I had jumped the gun doing T1 but think it was about right now, not hard to find septoria in the bottom of the crop so glad I used some imtrex at T1 to keep leaf 3 and four clean and remove any building infection, going to be bloody expensive without CTL if even possible

Weekly spraying in a wet year ?
Sulphur or mankazeb/folipet ?

 

[rob1]

Weekly spraying in a wet year ?
Sulphur or mankazeb/folipet ?

bit like spuds then, used mancozeb in the past, better than folpet but dont want the powder version

 

[B'o'B]

Weekly spraying in a wet year ?
Sulphur or mankazeb/folipet ?

As an industry we have to find another way, I can't see that being anything more than a short term fix.

 

[rob1]

As an industry we have to find another way, I can't see that being anything more than a short term fix.

lets all go organic and wait for people to get hungry , might get some common sense then

 

[B'o'B]

lets all go organic and wait for people to get hungry , might get some common sense then

Not all are in the spiral but many are of spending more each year on herbicides and fungicides and getting the same output.
On bad black grass land I know of people who cannot stack anymore herbicide on as hitting the black grass harder results in a crop yield penalty worse than the black grass!
I'm pretty despondent about the longevity of practical fungicide programs and the decline in efficacy of actives without CTL to back them up.
If I could bring myself to sack our workforce I would be no worse off putting the whole farm into simplified stewardship (at least for the next 5 years) even if I just stayed in bed, never mind taking into account income I could earn going off and working elsewhere.
If I could take the emotion out of the job, as a hard nosed business decision 5 years of guaranteed government backed income for feeding bird in the winter and building soil fertility for the future seems hard to make a sound case against in all honesty! People, pride and the thought of the weedbank on return to production are what puts me off what otherwise seem to be what society wants me to do.

 

[Gong Farmer]

bit like spuds then, used mancozeb in the past, better than folpet but dont want the powder version

I've been assured from more than one source that mancozeb will go about the same time CTL does.

 

[deleted user 837354]

lets all go organic and wait for people to get hungry , might get some common sense then

Genetically engineered wheat that is resistant to septoria and rusts.

Naturally, the seed will be £100/acre to make up for the lack of fungicide spend....

 

[Brisel]

Genetically engineered wheat that is resistant to septoria and rusts.

Naturally, the seed will be £100/acre to make up for the lack of fungicide spend....

Rob's suggestion is more likely than yours!

 

[Paul Gosling]

With wheat varieties becoming more and more resistant to septoria, for how much longer will it make sense to stick with a four spray programme? Maybe its time to start to think differently about disease managment in wheat?

 

[deleted user 837354]

Rob's suggestion is more likely than yours!

If the UK total wheat production halved overnight. Would it actually make any difference to the price of anything??

 

[deleted user 837354]

With wheat varieties becoming more and more resistant to septoria, for how much longer will it make sense to stick with a four spray programme? Maybe its time to start to think differently about disease managment in wheat?

You could try growing it in a very dry climate...

 

[Clive]

With wheat varieties becoming more and more resistant to septoria, for how much longer will it make sense to stick with a four spray programme? Maybe its time to start to think differently about disease managment in wheat?

why are slugs more of a problem ?

why is black-grass more of a problem ?

why are CSFB more of a problem ?



they are not problems IMO - they are symptoms of declining soil health and crap rotations !


You are correct, its time to start thinking differently !

 

[Brisel]

If the UK total wheat production halved overnight. Would it actually make any difference to the price of anything??

A lack of supply is more likely than allowing GM crops to be gown here. Septoria tritici is mainly a European disease so the R&D spend won't be on that. Rust is the world's number 1 cereal disease.

 

[deleted user 837354]

A lack of supply is more likely than allowing GM crops to be gown here. Septoria tritici is mainly a European disease so the R&D spend won't be on that. Rust is the world's number 1 cereal disease.

I agree. A lack of supply of European wheat is likely, not that it would really make any difference to the global marketplace after a time of adjustment.

Rust is a rather simpler disease to contend with as several species are already resistant to it and pinching their genes should not be as problematic.

 

[BenB]

That's what my man suggested too. Anyone would think they worked for the same firm... What's yours @BenB ?

Elatus is a better protectant. Ascra would be more eradicant.

All have their slight strengths and weaknesses, but on the whole I really feel there isn't much to split Adexar, Ascra, Elatus in the field, Aviator has a place as well. Provided you pick one at the appropriate rate for the situation I don't think you can go far wrong.

I have got on really well with Elatus Era @ T2 the past couple of years, especially where late rust (brown in particular) could be an issue e.g. Crusoe, Lili, Siskin, Costello.
Adexar has been/is still the benchmark and some of the 'special' mixes with pyraclastrobin can make competitive buys if you want to get some strob (+greening?!) in the system. I find it interesting how Librax also tends to come out well in AHDB Septoria trials.
Ascra looks good on the AHDB curves and I think looked the best at NIAB-TAG Sutton Scotney site last year.

So not a very good answer but that is because I genuinely feel they are all good products!

 

[deleted user 837354]

All have their slight strengths and weaknesses, but on the whole I really feel there isn't much to split Adexar, Ascra, Elatus in the field, Aviator has a place as well. Provided you pick one at the appropriate rate for the situation I don't think you can go far wrong.

I have got on really well with Elatus Era @ T2 the past couple of years, especially where late rust (brown in particular) could be an issue e.g. Crusoe, Lili, Siskin, Costello.
Adexar has been/is still the benchmark and some of the 'special' mixes with pyraclastrobin can make competitive buys if you want to get some strob (+greening?!) in the system. I find it interesting how Librax also tends to come out well in AHDB Septoria trials.
Ascra looks good on the AHDB curves and I think looked the best at NIAB-TAG Sutton Scotney site last year.

I'm glad you said that because after sitting through hours and hours of technical lectures and staring at those little line graphs I could not help but adopt the posture of: cynic mode activated.

I used to read the literature with a view of finding out what no longer works in the face of changing disease genetics. I always felt claims that product X was better than Y were very hollow and were not something I would ever feel genuinely comfortable with telling a customer. Even the way in which disease scoring is done never seemed all that convincing to me. I never could get too excited by comparing plots in disease comparisons either- always looked the same to me most of the time.

 

[teslacoils]

Aviator plus or minus teb if it's a bit damp. Litre of opus plus litre of amistar if it is dry.

 

[Flat 10]

Aviator plus or minus teb if it's a bit damp. Litre of opus plus litre of amistar if it is dry.

Plus CTL presumably