Tb are we(the English) winning the war?

[ringi]

Almost every other country in the world have managed to control BTB

Ireland is also failing badly.

(My understanding is that in many countries badgers behave very differently and don't live in large groups.)

 

[Ducati899]

You’re absolutely right. All they want to do if you’re in a cull zone is do a gamma test. We have just had one and I don’t think I’ve ever felt so mentally and physically exhausted by it all.

try doing a skin and gamma test on the same day and having a clear skin test and 40 odd reactors on the bloods,mainly in youngstock that had never been outside and to be told they were probably false positives

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

try doing a skin and gamma test on the same day and having a clear skin test and 40 odd reactors on the bloods,mainly in youngstock that had never been outside and to be told they were probably false positives

That’s terrible. we had a clear test but 16 reactors and 47 to retest. I’m gutted. This blood test should have never been allowed.

 

[jimmer]

Next you'll be telling us they didn't have TB because they didn't have lesions

 

[thorpe]

ive got a bit of a concern here! we had a post movment test recently and had a bullock with a right good lump on the bottom' in the past ive never looked for lump's never gave it a thought but this stuck out like a sore thumb. anyway come reading day the vet saw it said oh dear but when measured he was OK did the bu99er 4 time's , passed clear test . my mate reckon's it might come back and bite me arse when we kill him

 

[BrianV]

That’s terrible. we had a clear test but 16 reactors and 47 to retest. I’m gutted. This blood test should have never been allowed.

We had the same, told all completely clear with the injections & they took blood on the same day, told 3 days later that 4 had failed on blood & possibly 11 others, they killed the 4 then told us that they were in fact all completely clear & that all restrictions were lifted.

 

[Scholsey]

ive got a bit of a concern here! we had a post movment test recently and had a bullock with a right good lump on the bottom' in the past ive never looked for lump's never gave it a thought but this stuck out like a sore thumb. anyway come reading day the vet saw it said oh dear but when measured he was OK did the bu99er 4 time's , passed clear test . my mate reckon's it might come back and bite me arse when we kill him

Sell him to a AFU to get rid of him and let them kill him

 

[thorpe]

Sell him to a AFU to get rid of him and let them kill him

he's fit now 700kg+ would still come back to us as a tracer, not the end of the world as we don't graze and finish everything

 

[som farmer]

got a mate in west somerset, had a clear test, suckler cows went, just had enough

we had a good cull here yr 1, but not many since, one side of the farm, has 'natural' protection, its called the A303, very effective.

a neighbour has a gun mad son, who keeps both deer and badger population down, others keepered shoots.

but we went down, 2, NVL, and had 2 clear tests, but this is what seems to happen, no big breakdowns, just 1 or 2.

we have a vastly reduced badger population, and working on the theory a healthy sett, will drive sick ones out.

on soil contamination, a new farmhouse was being built, on the site of an old isolation hospital, huge outcry, stopped the build, till tests carried out. Reason, might have buried infected bodies there. Pigs had been kept there fore 30 odd yrs, and they didn't find any 'remains', or disease.

but TB is a political hot potato, until it ceases to be one, it won't be solved.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Politically it is impossible to force culling on UK land owners.

Wasn't an issue during foot and mouth.

 

[matthew]

Politically it is impossible to force culling on UK land owners.

No it isn't. Zoonotic Tuberculosis is a Grade 3 pathogen and our government(s) have signed international documents to eradicate it.

Our problem is a shed load of hangers on trying to persuade yoosful idiots in hiugh places that they can do that, without harming 'wildlife'. Not a hair of a badgers' head.
But they will license farmers to do the job for them.

Btw, the wildlife team, who used to conduct surveillance and culls for MAFF / Defra /APHA were paid off in 2006.

ive got a bit of a concern here! we had a post movment test recently and had a bullock with a right good lump on the bottom' in the past ive never looked for lump's never gave it a thought but this stuck out like a sore thumb. anyway come reading day the vet saw it said oh dear but when measured he was OK did the bu99er 4 time's , passed clear test . my mate reckon's it might come back and bite me arse when we kill him

There are two ypes of 'lump'. One odemous (sp) which is big and squishy, and the comparative avian lump which can be bigger, but hard or circumscribed. It's the comparison between the two which determines outcome.
See chart below.

Wasn't an issue during foot and mouth.

Nope. And FMD wasn't a zoonosis or a grade 3 pathogen, either.

 

[Scholsey]

he's fit now 700kg+ would still come back to us as a tracer, not the end of the world as we don't graze and finish everything

Didn’t think tracer tests were a thing anymore with 6 monthly testing?

 

[thorpe]

Didn’t think tracer tests were a thing anymore with 6 monthly testing?

 

[gone up the hill]

Sell him to a AFU to get rid of him and let them kill him

If the AFU kill it within 120 days of it arriving ( i think its still 120 days ) and TB is found then AH will trace it back to the farm it came from and shut them down under a TB2 notice and will make them do a whole herd test.

 

[gone up the hill]

Not true, there are new "marker vaccines" and a modified skin test that can tell the difference between a vaccinated cow and an infected cow. But unlikely to be able to live export vaccined cows, but vaccination of some cows will not stop unvaccinated cows being exported.

The modified skin test is being verified over the next few year, until it is verified there is no practical way to test how well the marker vaccine works.

There is no test that can 100% tell the diffirence between cattle vaccinated for TB and ones that have not been vaccinated but have TB.

They have been saying for decades there will be a test 100% accurate between the two coming within 10 years but i would not hold out much hope of that happening in the next 50 years at least.