Tb compensation and pedigree reactors.

[matthew]

Re: Defra's new compensation cash slash, coming in on November 1st., an interesting question came up last night re the presentation of 'dirty' cattle at abattoirs and subsequent reduction in valuation money..

Who owns the cattle at the time of presentation? And at what point in the reactor process does ownership pass to Defra?
A retired vet thought it was at the 'drop of the hammer' - i.e when a green DNA tag goes in and the animal is marked for slaughter.
I thought it was when it left the farm, clutching its passport.

But either way, ownership and thus responsibility for it is not that of the farmer, when it reaches the abattoir.

The very fact of long term herd restrictions often mean that animals are over stocked, and the farm under financed for bedding or housing. So a valid question, i would have thought.

I'll blog this as a question, but any thoughts welcome.

 

[Henarar]

Who owns the cattle at the time of presentation? And at what point in the reactor process does ownership pass to Defra?
A retired vet thought it was at the 'drop of the hammer' - i.e when a green DNA tag goes in and the animal is marked for slaughter.
I thought it was when it left the farm, clutching its passport.

when the tag goes in I would say

 

[JP1]

APHA no longer publish county figures, as far as I can see. Which is a shame as the new format is not comparable.
Which is the object of the exercise, of course.

^^ this

 

[sidjon]

We had one break it's leg while waiting for them to pick a group up , I own it but had to get AH vet to give me the go ahead to shot it as they won't pay out, even though it was loading the lorry for them. So once it's on the lorry it not my problem.

 

[Princess Pooper]

I understood that it was at point of loading that ownership was transferred.

 

[matthew]

We had one break it's leg while waiting for them to pick a group up , I own it but had to get AH vet to give me the go ahead to shot it as they won't pay out, even though it was loading the lorry for them. So once it's on the lorry it not my problem.

I understood that it was at point of loading that ownership was transferred.

That’s what I understood, but the point is that on presentation at the abattoir, for slaughter, the animal does NOT belong to the farmer.

 

[Had enough.com]

Are they making this sh1t up as they go along?
Vets at our local apha office knew very little about the new regulations, we had to direct the head vet to where they would find them on THEIR website!

 

[Had enough.com]

That’s what I understood, but the point is that on presentation at the abattoir, for slaughter, the animal does NOT belong to the farmer.

We should charge keep. Give them a week to fetch them, anything over and they pay

 

[Werzle]

If it hasnt got a farm herd tag in its ear when it walks off the lorry you do not get paid regardless of tb tag.

 

[topground]

I would take a photograph of each clean beast when it mounts the tailboard of the wagon to,prove it as clean when it left your farm. Otherwise loads of scope for the unscrupulous to defraud the keeper.
Where does the 50% DEFRA dont pay you end up, in their coffers?
It might be as well to worm any reactors on welfare grounds so you cant sign the declaration necessary to present for human consumption and so they are shot on the farm, that way you dont take the risk of the animal 'getting dirty' between leaving your care and being presented for slaughter.