TB frustrations.

[s line]

oooft, I hope we don't go back to that.

They tell you the gamma test will find everything, then they tell you after 2 clear skin tests you'll be good to go, then there's lesions found once you jump through all these hoops...

is TB a problem in your area? it isn't/ wasn't a problem here, yet they've not given us any answers to where ours cane from.

Did they find many with the Gamma?

 

[miniconnect]

Did they find many with the Gamma?

we lost 27 on the first one, then 14 on the second, and I think it was 3 on the 3rd gamma, how you can go through 1 skin, and 3 gammas and still be finding reactors with lesions , we couldn't understand.

 

[s line]

we lost 27 on the first one, then 14 on the second, and I think it was 3 on the 3rd gamma, how you can go through 1 skin, and 3 gammas and still be finding reactors with lesions , we couldn't understand.

Its a bloomin farce this Gamma.....Did you do skin testing inbetween Gamma as well?

 

[Muddyroads]

Don't know is honest answer

That was our situation last time, but I’m not sure if it is a hard and fast rule.

 

[miniconnect]

Haven’t you got to have 1 clear test before you can sell in an orange market?

is there even such a thing as an orange market north of the border? I've certainly never heard of one.

 

[Muddyroads]

is there even such a thing as an orange market north of the border? I've certainly never heard of one.

Good question.

 

[miniconnect]

Its a bloomin farce this Gamma.....Did you do skin testing inbetween Gamma as well?

we did a skin test along with the first gamma, the way it worked it was 60 days after the first shutdown. then back to skin 60 days after the reactors from the 3rd gamma left.

 

[matthew]

we lost 27 on the first one, then 14 on the second, and I think it was 3 on the 3rd gamma, how you can go through 1 skin, and 3 gammas and still be finding reactors with lesions , we couldn't understand.

A lot of cattle with older lesions, will have walled them up. Safely. And subsequently be found at slaughter. So no immune response to the skin test, and nothing for gamma to find.

Its a bloomin farce this Gamma.....Did you do skin testing inbetween Gamma as well?

Yes it is, and yes.

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

I’ve been shut down now for 90 days after one bull gave two IRs
Tested on Tuesday for second test and results tomorrow but it don’t help anyone at the moment as I’ve 5 bulls that were lined up as stock bulls hands shuck on a deal to go, it was only a pre movement that showed this IR up after being on farm for two clear tests previously. Took him away and clear of lesions at the slaughterhouse, then clear on the check test and clear on the first radial. Got the lead case vet from APAH really scratching her head as she as well as I can’t understand why he came down as an IR.

Never had any bother with TB here and I do not understand where to go next. Been told I can apply for a licence to send the bulls out as going to a restricted farm anyway, all very frustrating

 

[miniconnect]

I’ve been shut down now for 90 days after one bull gave two IRs
Tested on Tuesday for second test and results tomorrow but it don’t help anyone at the moment as I’ve 5 bulls that were lined up as stock bulls hands shuck on a deal to go, it was only a pre movement that showed this IR up after being on farm for two clear tests previously. Took him away and clear of lesions at the slaughterhouse, then clear on the check test and clear on the first radial. Got the lead case vet from APAH really scratching her head as she as well as I can’t understand why he came down as an IR.

Never had any bother with TB here and I do not understand where to go next. Been told I can apply for a licence to send the bulls out as going to a restricted farm anyway, all very frustrating

there's a lot of farms up here who are or have been shut down with reactors and IRs, loosing more cattle than we have and have never found a definite case of TB yet, nobody can give any definite answers as to why it's happening.

 

[matthew]

there's a lot of farms up here who are or have been shut down with reactors and IRs, loosing more cattle than we have and have never found a definite case of TB yet, nobody can give any definite answers as to why it's happening.

Twenty years ago, our home bred, closed dairy herd went three years and 18 sixty day tests before TB was confirmed by lesions and culture. The test was finding early and continuing infection from two manky badgers, caught on the last days of trapping in the RBCT . We lost around 50 head. When TB was confirmed, and the test was reinterpreted at severe, we lost almost all of a batch of in calf heifers.
TB ripped the heart out of our herd. And it wasn’t brought in on a truck.

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

Went clear again today on skin as I half expected so some good news at last here. Hope alls well for you and you get some clarity @miniconnect

 

[Plain steer]

Has anyone ever been TB free for 5 days only?

we had our 2nd clear skin test last week after being shut down for a year. (never had a TB problem before) now today had notification that a cull cow that went to slaughter yesterday had lesions....
so we're shut down again..

this almost 11year old cow has had 4 clear skin tests and I think 3 clear gamma tests since last February.

they're still deciding what to do next. until then we're back in lockdown.

we've lost 59 cattle in the last year, mostly milking cows and and were planning on re stocking in the coming weeks, and we'd 30 stores planned to go to market next week.

I know there's many people shut down longer and in worse positions, but I just wanted to vent frustration.

Has anyone else had the same happen? how did it turn out?

Tb tests not fit for purpose

 

[Plain steer]

What I don’t understand is tb reactors are usually fit and healthy and the meat still goes in the food chain so I can’t see what all this testing is all about

 

[miniconnect]

What I don’t understand is tb reactors are usually fit and healthy and the meat still goes in the food chain so I can’t see what all this testing is all about

I think (I could be wrong) if they've lesions they're rejected and you get a bill for disposal. so if she cultures clear, will apha cover that cost and give us what she'd be worth?

 

[miniconnect]

Twenty years ago, our home bred, closed dairy herd went three years and 18 sixty day tests before TB was confirmed by lesions and culture. The test was finding early and continuing infection from two manky badgers, caught on the last days of trapping in the RBCT . We lost around 50 head. When TB was confirmed, and the test was reinterpreted at severe, we lost almost all of a batch of in calf heifers.
TB ripped the heart out of our herd. And it wasn’t brought in on a truck. [emoji107]

there's closed herds of 30+ years going down for the first time ever, something's going on and APHA need to find what it is quickly!
there are more and more black and white furry things about here, but all our immediate neighbours are clear so I do have my doubts about them. but I've seen 5 or 6 dead on the road near here in the last year, prior to that I've never seen one, just chance? I don't know....

 

[matthew]

there's closed herds of 30+ years going down for the first time ever, something's going on and APHA need to find what it is quickly!
there are more and more black and white furry things about here, but all our immediate neighbours are clear so I do have my doubts about them. but I've seen 5 or 6 dead on the road near here in the last year, prior to that I've never seen one, just chance? I don't know....

Not chance at all. Our first inkling was road kill, followed at the next test by problems.
APHA know exactly what the problem is, but are following orders and killing your cattle.

 

[s line]

What I don’t understand is tb reactors are usually fit and healthy and the meat still goes in the food chain so I can’t see what all this testing is all about

It keeps alot of people in a job...

 

[matthew]

What I don’t understand is tb reactors are usually fit and healthy and the meat still goes in the food chain so I can’t see what all this testing is all about

zoonotic Tuberculosis is a Grade 3 pathogen, and the ‘zoonotic’ bit means that it transmits to people. Hence under OIE global directives, to which we are signed up, we have a legal duty to control it.

 

[matthew]

I think (I could be wrong) if they've lesions they're rejected and you get a bill for disposal. so if she cultures clear, will apha cover that cost and give us what she'd be worth?

A reactor or dangerous contact, slaughtered through the Ministry route is compensated ( if that is the correct word) at a rate determined monthly by a set of tables. That’s England. Wales still have proper valuations.
If a reactor has come onto the farm, under license during a breakdown, then such compensation is halved.
Defra then own the carcase and sell what they can.
If an animal turns up at an abattoir direct from a farm, and is found to have lesions in one or (or two?) places, then the carcase is condemned and the consignee may be charged for disposal.