TG01 to PG01

[Lcarpenter1998]

Does Arable Land cover that't been reported as TG01 for the 5 years automatically change over to PG01 and Permanent Grassland cover or is it up to us to report as PG01 in the 5th year?

Time consuming going over multiple previous BPS Claims to see how many times a fields been reported as TG01

 

[Hindsight]

Does Arable Land cover that't been reported as TG01 for the 5 years automatically change over to PG01 and Permanent Grassland cover or is it up to us to report as PG01 in the 5th year?

Time consuming going over multiple previous BPS Claims to see how many times a fields been reported as TG01

Upto the claimant. Doesn't take many seconds. you only need to look back at the 2014 form to see if an arable code.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Best if it remains TG01! I am sure you will have reseeded it.

 

[Flower Power]

Best if it remains TG01! I am sure you will have reseeded it.

It doesn't matter if it's been re-seeded. If it's been declared asTG1 for 5 years, it will become PG1 in the 6th year.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

It doesn't matter if it's been re-seeded. If it's been declared asTG1 for 5 years, it will become PG1 in the 6th year.

No it doesn't. You can keep it in temporary grass for as long as you like. We have parcels that have been temporary for years but are reseeded, often having a forage crop put in when the grass gets worn out and then put back into Westerwolds in the spring.

 

[Flower Power]

No it doesn't. You can keep it in temporary grass for as long as you like. We have parcels that have been temporary for years but are reseeded, often having a forage crop put in when the grass gets worn out and then put back into Westerwolds in the spring.

So it hasn't been declared as TG1 for 5 consecutive years?

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

So it hasn't been declared as TG1 for 5 consecutive years?

Yes it has as it has always been grass again by May.
Permanent pasture is where it has never had any other crop planted in it and yes if it has been put in as a new ley and starts as TG and then left for more than 5 years then it will revert to PG but this only becomes a problem after 15 years.

 

[spin cycle]

Yes it has as it has always been grass again by May.
Permanent pasture is where it has never had any other crop planted in it and yes if it has been put in as a new ley and starts as TG and then left for more than 5 years then it will revert to PG but this only becomes a problem after 15 years.

thats my take...BUT....as far as the form goes i think @Flower Power is right

 

[Hindsight]

Yes it has as it has always been grass again by May.
Permanent pasture is where it has never had any other crop planted in it and yes if it has been put in as a new ley and starts as TG and then left for more than 5 years then it will revert to PG but this only becomes a problem after 15 years.

You may well be right but maybe someone ought to check with RPA. My understanding is that it is the land use declared at May 15 defines. Thus a catch crop in autumn of turnips not declared at May 15 as non gras. But as I say I am only saying what I was told by agent.

 

[Flower Power]

Yes it has as it has always been grass again by May.
Permanent pasture is where it has never had any other crop planted in it and yes if it has been put in as a new ley and starts as TG and then left for more than 5 years then it will revert to PG but this only becomes a problem after 15 years.

Temporary grassland
Temporary grassland is:
• land that has been in grass or other herbaceous forage for fewer than 5 consecutive years - it
can be self-seeded or sown
• land used for livestock production, if it’s been used in this way for fewer than 5 years – this
includes land used for outdoor pigs
Land can only be declared as temporary grassland for 5 consecutive years. After that, it will
normally become ‘permanent grassland’.
If applicants have grassland that has been in temporary grass on 15 May 2020 for 5 consecutive
years (so has been coded as TG1 or TG01 in the years 2015 to 2019), this should be classed as
permanent grassland from 2020.

See page 13 of the 2020 BPS Guidance

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Temporary grassland
Temporary grassland is:
• land that has been in grass or other herbaceous forage for fewer than 5 consecutive years - it
can be self-seeded or sown
• land used for livestock production, if it’s been used in this way for fewer than 5 years – this
includes land used for outdoor pigs
Land can only be declared as temporary grassland for 5 consecutive years. After that, it will
normally become ‘permanent grassland’.
If applicants have grassland that has been in temporary grass on 15 May 2020 for 5 consecutive
years (so has been coded as TG1 or TG01 in the years 2015 to 2019), this should be classed as
permanent grassland from 2020.

See page 13 of the 2020 BPS Guidance

Well I have been filling it is as temporary grass for at least 10 years and it has never been queried, because that is what it is!!!!

 

[ajcc]

Just make sure you reseed it with cultivation’s every 5 years and it remains temporary pasture...common sense will prevail we trust.

 

[Hindsight]

Well I have been filling it is as temporary grass for at least 10 years and it has never been queried, because that is what it is!!!!

It won't have been queried because my observation is the RPA computer system does not tot up the years an individual parcel is coded TG01, and at a physical field inspection the RPA inspector does not go back over the previous coding.

I think you are wrong but I am just a bloke on the internet so for christ do not take any note of me. Cheers.

 

[Brisel]

Temporary grassland
Temporary grassland is:
• land that has been in grass or other herbaceous forage for fewer than 5 consecutive years - it
can be self-seeded or sown
• land used for livestock production, if it’s been used in this way for fewer than 5 years – this
includes land used for outdoor pigs
Land can only be declared as temporary grassland for 5 consecutive years. After that, it will
normally become ‘permanent grassland’.
If applicants have grassland that has been in temporary grass on 15 May 2020 for 5 consecutive
years (so has been coded as TG1 or TG01 in the years 2015 to 2019), this should be classed as
permanent grassland from 2020.

See page 13 of the 2020 BPS Guidance

This. RPA will base land use codes at 15th May as the basis for the TG to PG rule by default. You'll need another land use, preferably an arable one, at least once in the 5 years to reset the clock. Reseeding is irrelevant as there's no restriction under BPS for reseeding permanent pasture. Keep details of any catch crops sown between reseeds & take photos, geostamped if you can, to act as evidence if the RPA refute your claims. FA01 would suffice to break the chain as long as you've obeyed the fallow rules.