The BBC priministerial debate

[Danllan]

May I ask why?

Why do you think?

 

[lloyd]

May I ask why?

Still waiting for Danllan to reply why he thinks its alright
for Boris to import meat from countries with poor welfare standards or
standards of production which were outlawed here decades ago.

 

[Danllan]

So you want to stand on the high moral ground regarding
live exports .What's your view of imports of meat that
have been reared ,produced call it what you like from
Countries of substandard welfare?
I haven't seen anything from the self righteous Boris
regarding this .
TOTAL HYPOCRISY.

No hypocrisy from me on this, I'm on the record on TFF stating that I'm fine with free trade of equivalent goods. If the meat doesn't come from stock kept to the same or 'higher' standards than us here, it shouldn't be on the shelves here. Alright?

The Republicans he met with are oft reported all of whom, whether they admit or not, cut their teeth within the terrorist organisations. Less publicised in the UK are the many loyalist terrorists he met with with the same aim. You may see a pattern, turn the terrorist to the ballot box, this happened with terrorists from both sides. He was of course not alone in his efforts and enlightened Tory mp's followed a similar path. Whilst Maggie proclaimed she would not negotiate with terrorists, rightly in my view she had entrusted people to do exactly that. This reached a peak which is when mo mowlam asked JC to renew his efforts. How many times have you seen UK press print pictures of JC et al glad handing with loyalist terrorists who turned to the ballot box? Maybe that doesn't suit their tag line!

All that is fair enough, although his actions are greatly overstated, but none of it addresses or justifies his support for and failure to condemn either the IRA or other terrorists and terrorist organisations, does it?

 

[Highland Mule]

Why do you think?

I have genuinely got no idea why an intelligent farmer with an understanding of animal husbandry and the UK livestock industry would have a blanket objection to all live export. I don't know if you fall into that category of course, but perhaps if you answer the question I can get an understanding.

 

[Hindsight]

Why do you think?

What about breeding stock?

 

[lloyd]

No hypocrisy from me on this, I'm on the record on TFF stating that I'm fine with free trade of equivalent goods. If the meat doesn't come from stock kept to the same or 'higher' standards than us here, it shouldn't be on the shelves here. Alright?



All that is fair enough, although his actions are greatly overstated, but none of it addresses or justifies his support for and failure to condemn either the IRA or other terrorists and terrorist organisations, does it?

The hypocrisy was aimed at Boris not yourself to which I apologise.
I'm afraid the signs so far is to do a trade deal with the
USA which will include hormone injected beef and chlorinated chicken.
The only way this would be the same standards would be to
allow British farmers to do the same.
This would be a major step backwards in our high standards of
food production and welfare.
Dont you agree?

 

[lloyd]

What about breeding stock?

That would be next after the first ban.

 

[Hindsight]

The hypocrisy was aimed at Boris not yourself to which I apologise.
I'm afraid the signs so far is to do a trade deal with the
USA which will include hormone injected beef and chlorinated chicken.
The only way this would be the same standards would be to
allow British farmers to do the same.
This would be a major step backwards in our high standards of
food production and welfare.

Extremely unlikely in my opinion that UK standards will be reduced. Every time in recent weeks I have heard Mr Gove or any Tory politician speak it has been to egg up Brexit on basis UK will be able to st own standards and these may well be higher than EU and rest of world. No the simple truth will I anticipate be double standards for domestic political gain. We are already seeing the export of Oilseed Rape production from UK to Ukraine and rest of world. Expect more to come. Hey ho.

 

[lloyd]

Extremely unlikely in my opinion that UK standards will be reduced. Every time in recent weeks I have heard Mr Gove or any Tory politician speak it has been to egg up Brexit on basis UK will be able to st own standards and these may well be higher than EU and rest of world. No the simple truth will I anticipate be double standards for domestic political gain. We are already seeing the export of Oilseed Rape production from UK to Ukraine and rest of world. Expect more to come. Hey ho.

So we are expected to be one big centre parks for the amusement
of Bojos fan club.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The question posed was what advantages can UK have as a result of leaving EU. Bojo gave the example of being able to cut vat on tampons. However that is already in hand having been legislated by UK parliament and ratified by eu parliament as a precursor to legislation. As eu parliament has primacy over vat that is the process. I do agree exit eu there is one less step but that is irrelevant to the question posed and lie returned by bojo.

As you've admitted it was in the hands of the EU whether VAT could be dropped from tampons or not.

Therefore Boris didn't lie in pointing out by leaving the EU the process would be in the hands of the UK elected government.

The only reason you state it is a lie is in a childish attempt to besmirch Boris's character .. which given the fact Corbyn liases with terrorists and terrorist groups is laughable.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Extremely unlikely in my opinion that UK standards will be reduced. Every time in recent weeks I have heard Mr Gove or any Tory politician speak it has been to egg up Brexit on basis UK will be able to st own standards and these may well be higher than EU and rest of world. No the simple truth will I anticipate be double standards for domestic political gain. We are already seeing the export of Oilseed Rape production from UK to Ukraine and rest of world. Expect more to come. Hey ho.

So we are expected to be one big centre parks for the amusement
of Bojos fan club.

Regardless of which fantasy political group we could vote for they are all London centric.

THAT is the problem with almost everything they do.

HOW to fix it ? I htink ordinary people are going to have to create a political grouping which serves working people .. stuff the rest.

 

[lloyd]

Regardless of which fantasy political group we could vote for they are all London centric.

THAT is the problem with almost everything they do.

HOW to fix it ? I htink ordinary people are going to have to create a political grouping which serves working people .. stuff the rest.

One thing is for sure there is no champion for British agriculture .
It will all be down to tactical voting and damage limitation for me.

 

[czechmate]

So we are expected to be one big centre parks for the amusement
of Bojos fan club.

That actually seems a very good summary

 

[M-J-G]

Ban export of live animals !
If you are a non farmer you'd think we
encourage cruelty to animals.
The chap will sell the public any vote winning myth
whilst disadvantaging us at the market place.

What has the IRA do do with the export of live animals?

A lot of the IRA were livestock farmers. As were some of the UVF.

 

[M-J-G]

Explain...

JC not even responding to comments on his support for the IRA...

He did respond to be fair (even though fair isn't really what I want to be)

Johnston needs to be careful not to pull at the "terrorist" thread too much.
Especially since he is in bed with a party which was founded by terrorists.

 

[bobk]

You gov poll on last nights debate was 52 % - 48 % to leave , aka bozzer

 

[M-J-G]

Regardless of which fantasy political group we could vote for they are all London centric.

THAT is the problem with almost everything they do.

HOW to fix it ? I htink ordinary people are going to have to create a political grouping which serves working people .. stuff the rest.

Now we're talking!!

 

[pgk]

No hypocrisy from me on this, I'm on the record on TFF stating that I'm fine with free trade of equivalent goods. If the meat doesn't come from stock kept to the same or 'higher' standards than us here, it shouldn't be on the shelves here. Alright?



All that is fair enough, although his actions are greatly overstated, but none of it addresses or justifies his support for and failure to condemn either the IRA or other terrorists and terrorist organisations, does it?

Not sure how you can arrive at the conclusion his actions greatly overstated, he was one of a number who made the contact with the terrorists as for political reasons the senior politicians could not be seen to be "negotiating with terrorists". I have seen nothing which suggests the facilitators role was unnecessary, quite the contrary, even after the Brighton bombing the talks had to be restarted with Republicans and particularly those who had moved away from the bomb. You need to widen your reading, he has consistently condemned terrorist outrages of all forms, he does not however condemn the underlying inequalities which drive people to extremist terrorist actions.

 

[pgk]

As you've admitted it was in the hands of the EU whether VAT could be dropped from tampons or not.

Therefore Boris didn't lie in pointing out by leaving the EU the process would be in the hands of the UK elected government.

The only reason you state it is a lie is in a childish attempt to besmirch Boris's character .. which given the fact Corbyn liases with terrorists and terrorist groups is laughable.

I have to conclude you have no ability to read what is down in print on both fronts, as is oft said there are none so blind!

 

[Danllan]

The hypocrisy was aimed at Boris not yourself to which I apologise.
I'm afraid the signs so far is to do a trade deal with the
USA which will include hormone injected beef and chlorinated chicken.
The only way this would be the same standards would be to
allow British farmers to do the same.
This would be a major step backwards in our high standards of
food production and welfare.
Dont you agree?

Thanks for that. I do agree with the general idea you have of standards, but not with the conclusion reached. This is because there are a growing number of producers in the US who do raise and deal with their stock along the same lines as us over here. I have no problem with a trade deal with the US, or others, that allows for equivalent goods to be traded.

Not sure how you can arrive at the conclusion his actions greatly overstated, he was one of a number who made the contact with the terrorists as for political reasons the senior politicians could not be seen to be "negotiating with terrorists".... You need to widen your reading, he has consistently condemned terrorist outrages of all forms, he does not however condemn the underlying inequalities which drive people to extremist terrorist actions.

I have read a lot of what JC has written and said, but I don't suppose that it is any where near everything.* Nonetheless, and despite frequent public protestations that - as you've written - he condemns all violence and oppression etc., that is not consistent with his other words and actions. He supports and has stood beside many who think nothing of torture and random terrorism. The list is a long one, and includes national dictators as well as local roughs; but that's alright, they are on the left so their hears are in the right place, and they are not Jewish...

Do you really think that there were not 'channels' of communication with the IRA from the beginning? Of course there were, from top to bottom, some are well documented, others not so. He had no great role, but it is easy to see how a supporter would wish to portray him as having had one.

He is a champagne socialist, a millionaire, ex public school career politician who trades on being anti-establishment, oh the irony, and the hypocrisy. He claims to be an international socialist - when in front of the right crowd - which, presumably, means that the inequalities he cares about are those seen across the globe, yet he his support for the most oppressive dictators who have ground their poor people into starvation remains strong.

As for people being driven to terrorist actions... what would it take for you to feel that blowing up a child is a right and reasonable thing to do? There's nothing that would do it for me, nothing.

You have fallen in to the trap that so many do, you've become an apologist for terrorists.


*Who has, you?