The benevolent EU grants us 3rd country status for most produce

[Sonoftheheir]

Well this is good news, especially for the Irish potato job! (*Disclaimer except potato seed!)

EU to allow post-Brexit UK farm produce exports https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55433319

 

[AndrewB]

Hopefully the Irish will find a way to take quality Scottish seed.

 

[Hindsight]

Well this is good news, especially for the Irish potato job! (*Disclaimer except potato seed!)

EU to allow post-Brexit UK farm produce exports https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55433319

To be frank your sarcasm (apologies if I have misunderstood your choice of word) in using the word benevolent is I fear misplaced. UK gains access to a market of 460 million people and equally importantly 27 countries under one agreement. The EU 27 countries gain access to 65 million people.

The exclusion of seed potatoes from the EU market should be a warning as to the relative strength in the arrangement within this trade agreement, and the way it may go in future as the two entities diverge.

As a potato grower I am not sure if you will support the Scottish growers by only buying Scottish seed and refusing to purchase EU courced seed.

Best wishes and season blessings.

 

[JP1]

An announcement within the hour - delayed by12 hours due to a species by species rack over fish

 

[Sonoftheheir]

To be frank your sarcasm (apologies if I have misunderstood your choice of word) in using the word benevolent is I fear misplaced. UK gains access to a market of 460 million people and equally importantly 27 countries under one agreement. The EU 27 countries gain access to 65 million people.

The exclusion of seed potatoes from the EU market should be a warning as to the relative strength in the arrangement within this trade agreement, and the way it may go in future as the two entities diverge.

As a potato grower I am not sure if you will support the Scottish growers by only buying Scottish seed and refusing to purchase EU courced seed.

Best wishes and season blessings.

Even I don’t know if I feel sarcastic this morning, the word benevolent just sprung to mind.

Have had a load of Dutch Agria in already due to border worries, but the rest will come from this sceptred isles.

It is nonetheless a good piece of news after looking at flooded wheat fields this morning.

 

[Hereward]

To be frank your sarcasm (apologies if I have misunderstood your choice of word) in using the word benevolent is I fear misplaced. UK gains access to a market of 460 million people and equally importantly 27 countries under one agreement. The EU 27 countries gain access to 65 million people

Which way is the balance of trade, I don't have the figures to hand.

 

[Hindsight]

Even I don’t know if I feel sarcastic this morning, the word benevolent just sprung to mind.

Have had a load of Dutch Agria in already due to border worries, but the rest will come from this sceptred isles.

It is nonetheless a good piece of news after looking at flooded wheat fields this morning.

Yep, good news. Particularly for the Irish Markie trade. And having seen some terrible Dutch Agria seed earlier in the week (full of rots) the reality is that trade agreements are irrelevant when it comes down to day to day interactions. Agrico came out to look. The thought of rots in Agria and blackleg next summer! Ghastly thought.

 

[Hindsight]

Which way is the balance of trade, I don't have the figures to hand.

Not do I but they will be around somewhere.

 

[warksfarmer]

This is bad news as far as I’m concerned. I voted for Brexit to go into WTO rules. I voted that way knowing it would adversely effect our industry but to me that is of secondary importance to this countries future which will be better as truly independent to the Eu.

We will now find out over the coming months that we aren’t fully clear and in fact still controlled. First thing is the 5 year fishing transition period. There should be no transition period and after that we should not be leasing fishing rights out, but we will.

Far more will come to light but now we must live in hope that the EU will collapse before we are taken back in which will happen within the next 10 years in my view.

 

[two-cylinder]

This is bad news as far as I’m concerned. I voted for Brexit to go into WTO rules. I voted that way knowing it would adversely effect our industry but to me that is of secondary importance to this countries future which will be better as truly independent to the Eu.

To be precise, the wording of the referendum did not state an obligation to leave the EU on WTO rules.

 

[bobk]

Ah , so maybe the end of the world is not nigh .,

 

[steveR]

To be precise, the wording of the referendum did not state an obligation to leave the EU on WTO rules.

It didn't even give an undertaking to Leave in any clear form. Full Stop. But we are, where we are....

 

[Flat 10]

To be precise, the wording of the referendum did not state an obligation to leave the EU on WTO rules.

No but many of us believed it was more than likely.

 

[farmerm]

No but many of us believed it was more than likely.

It was always sold by Brexitiers during the run up to the vote that we would leave with a deal not WTO...

 

[steveR]

It was always sold by Brexitiers during the run up to the vote that we would leave with a deal not WTO...

Yep. The "simplest ever deal to do"....

 

[Flat 10]

It was always sold by Brexitiers during the run up to the vote that we would leave with a deal not WTO...

Which we have but personally I wasn't at all sure that we would, especially latterly, and would have been happy enough if there had been no deal.

 

[Right-arm fast]

It was always sold by Brexitiers during the run up to the vote that we would leave with a deal not WTO...

I don’t remember that. The pledges, not promises, were to stop paying £350m a week to the eu and put it in the nhs, and to limit or stop immigration. There could be no promises (as it was not possible) about anything other than leaving the eu, with or without a deal because that’s what the referendum outcome required. It was always going to be a compromise situation because we can’t undo 40 odd years of agreements overnight, the eu won’t let us have what we want as others will also want the benefits and none of the downsides. This will go on for years and will cost the country 100s of billions.

 

[farmerm]

I don’t remember that.

it must be an age thing... might be wise to get a tattoo of your address and phone number on your hand...

 

[farmerm]

No but many of us believed it was more than likely.

Including me! I certainly didn't expect a deal. Technically it is still not signed off by the European Parliaments so still time for someone to throw a spanner in the works.

 

[two-cylinder]

A workable solution had to be found, WTO would only ever have been a stop gap until a deal of some sort was worked out.
No country in the world relies on WTO long-term - because it's a bare bones set of rules with heavy tariffs between nations in certain commodities.
If we had gone to no deal on Jan 1st, talks would have quickly resumed on jan 2nd.

Since the referendum parliament has been trying to find a way out of this mess that is 1 workable with the EU and 2. sellable to the electorate.
Mrs May started with the status quo and tried change things as little as possible, but her deal didn't go far enough to satisfy the brexiteers, so Johnson has worked the other way, start with No deal and work backwards until he found something the EU would accept.