The great global warming scam, worth a listen I think.

[linga]

Look out f the window in the uk today, snow blizzards aplenty.

Which is entirely consistent with global warming where a warmer atmosphere holds more water vapour

 

[NZDan]

Which is entirely consistent with global warming where a warmer atmosphere holds more moisture

So global warming will lead to higher rain falls?? Does that mean the large areas of the planet that are unproductive due to lack of moisture will become more productive? What about the large areas of the northern hemisphere that are to cold, will they become more productive with global warming?

 

[linga]

So global warming will lead to higher rain falls?? Does that mean the large areas of the planet that are unproductive due to lack of moisture will become more productive? What about the large areas of the northern hemisphere that are to cold, will they become more productive with global warming?

Nope

 

[Old McDonald]

Look out f the window in the uk today, snow blizzards aplenty.

I am really pleased that you apear willing to respond in these last few weeks. I mean that, I am not being facetious. Your failure to do so for over a year (on a thread you started) showed you as being something of a troublemaker who made rash posts and would not, or could not, follow them up. Now that you respond it is possible to have a reasoned debate.

Now, as I asked in the thread to which you have responded, please tell us where this foot of snow is, or is going to be if it is supposed to be still on its way. Many places in the UK have no snow today. The worst I can find is a few centimetres (or inches) in the odd hill place.

You do realise it is still only mid-March? I have seen well over a foot of snow fall in April in the UK and only 300 feet above sea level. I have seen snow in June (the day after the first horrific of a result referendum) at only 500 feet.

You are clutching at straws, and, despite many requests, still cannot produce the historic record of a single weather station anywhere in the world that shows that temperatures have not increased this century.

You can bow out gracefully and accept that you are wrong and temperatures are continuing to increase. On the other hand you can continue to argue for many more years to come that "The End of the Increasing Temperatures is Nigh".

On your sunspots/solar cycle theory, you cannot claim you are right more than 6 years after you first forecast that these are the cause of temperature changes and that temperatures will fall because of the lack of sunspots. I have a note of when you first claimed that on here. I am sure you claimed it before posting here, but I have no definitive proof, so will base my case on the date you first posted it here. Remember that.

 

[Old McDonald]

So global warming will lead to higher rain falls?? Does that mean the large areas of the planet that are unproductive due to lack of moisture will become more productive? What about the large areas of the northern hemisphere that are to cold, will they become more productive with global warming?

It all depends........... As @linga previously posted, warmer air can hold more moisture, therefore it is quite feasible that some places that could expect a little rain in a rain event, could receive a lot of rain in a rain event. It could also mean that because the air is capable of holding more moisture that that moisture does not fall to earth. His blunt Nope, is a tad short of an explanation, and I prefer my "it depends".

I am sure you are aware that a few hundred miles North of where you live and even more so nearer the Equator, rainfall is frequently of a much higher concentration than that to which you are exposed.

Some parts of the planet could well become more productive due to increased rainfall, others that are now productive, might receive less rain. The Iberian Peninsula, where I presently am, is forecast to receive less rain. The planet will not warm equally either. It will not take much of a shift in the Gulf Stream to make the British Isles a much colder place than it is now. I have no scientific explanation, but my gut feeling is that this could very easily happen.

You must know that nowhere in the contiguous states of the USA is as far north as the most southerly point of England. You must also know of the extreme cold that parts of these states experience in comparison with the British Isles.

Nobody can predict the future. As individuals we either accept that Fourier et al were correct and rising levels of CO2 and its equivalent in other greenhouse gasses lead to a rise in surface and near earth temperatures, or we do not accept these people were right 200 years ago. Problem is for those who do not accept, nobody has proved them wrong.

 

[NZDan]

Nope

Why not?

 

[Farmer Roy]

 

[banjo]

I am really pleased that you apear willing to respond in these last few weeks. I mean that, I am not being facetious. Your failure to do so for over a year (on a thread you started) showed you as being something of a troublemaker who made rash posts and would not, or could not, follow them up. Now that you respond it is possible to have a reasoned debate.

Now, as I asked in the thread to which you have responded, please tell us where this foot of snow is, or is going to be if it is supposed to be still on its way. Many places in the UK have no snow today. The worst I can find is a few centimetres (or inches) in the odd hill place.

You do realise it is still only mid-March? I have seen well over a foot of snow fall in April in the UK and only 300 feet above sea level. I have seen snow in June (the day after the first horrific of a result referendum) at only 500 feet.

You are clutching at straws, and, despite many requests, still cannot produce the historic record of a single weather station anywhere in the world that shows that temperatures have not increased this century.

You can bow out gracefully and accept that you are wrong and temperatures are continuing to increase. On the other hand you can continue to argue for many more years to come that "The End of the Increasing Temperatures is Nigh".

On your sunspots/solar cycle theory, you cannot claim you are right more than 6 years after you first forecast that these are the cause of temperature changes and that temperatures will fall because of the lack of sunspots. I have a note of when you first claimed that on here. I am sure you claimed it before posting here, but I have no definitive proof, so will base my case on the date you first posted it here. Remember that.

I have some nice photos of a foot of snow out side my house this morning in Wales, actual blizzard conditions, I will post them later,
Since I started this thread ( and I encourage anyone to look at my posts to show what I said and believe) I have stated factual evidence that shows since 2016 the temp has been getting cooler, sea level has been dropping, and more snow has been occurring, plus arctic sea ice has grown so much you can walk from Russia to Greenland!
I believe the earth has cycles of heating and cooling ( but it doesn't move more than a degree in either direction whatever cycle it in ) it's natural climate change.
We are currently in a cooling cycle ( due to low sunspot activity ) and I happen to believe we will have harder winters ( like in 1947 period ) and better summers.
I have predicted every snow storm and wind storm ahead of time this year, look at my past posts if you don't believe me.
I believe we're in for over a decade of cooling, but it won't move more than a degree, this small amount of cooling will make our winters harsher ( I'm even building more lambing sheds to get everything inside ready for it )
I totally understand your not interested in my opinions on this subject, but it's a free country and its my right to dissagree with the current religious extremism like global warming gang!

 

[Old McDonald]

I totally understand your not interested in my opinions on this subject, but it's a free country and its my right to dissagree with the current religious extremism like global warming gang!

Just a quick response to this part of your post. I have told you more than once that I am extremely interested in your opinions. My objection to your posts has always been that you rely entirely on dubious YouTube videos and have, until very recently, refused to engage in debate with all posters.

Nobody has ever disputed that you have the right to post your opinion. You began the thread and it has continued for over a year, which proves that at least everyone else who has posted on here agrees to you continuing to post what you believe.

I will respond more after your photographs appear.

 

[Bury the Trash]

imo, this should thread have a sticky...

 

[Campani]

I have some nice photos of a foot of snow out side my house this morning in Wales, actual blizzard conditions, I will post them later,
Since I started this thread ( and I encourage anyone to look at my posts to show what I said and believe) I have stated factual evidence that shows since 2016 the temp has been getting cooler, sea level has been dropping, and more snow has been occurring, plus arctic sea ice has grown so much you can walk from Russia to Greenland!
I believe the earth has cycles of heating and cooling ( but it doesn't move more than a degree in either direction whatever cycle it in ) it's natural climate change.
We are currently in a cooling cycle ( due to low sunspot activity ) and I happen to believe we will have harder winters ( like in 1947 period ) and better summers.
I have predicted every snow storm and wind storm ahead of time this year, look at my past posts if you don't believe me.
I believe we're in for over a decade of cooling, but it won't move more than a degree, this small amount of cooling will make our winters harsher ( I'm even building more lambing sheds to get everything inside ready for it )
I totally understand your not interested in my opinions on this subject, but it's a free country and its my right to dissagree with the current religious extremism like global warming gang!

what sort of summer are we going to have? it would certainly help my planning for the year?

 

[Dave645]

I totally understand your not interested in my opinions on this subject, but it's a free country and its my right to dissagree with the current religious extremism like global warming gang!

I don't see my self as believing in a religious extremism like globle warming, or in a gang. That a very strange statement for you to make.....

Extreme opinions about others often indicate extreme personal opinions held by the user of these statements. And extreme opinions and religious believe can often form in the absence of fact as they often don't require any.
Extremists don't require or ask for facts they just believe.....
that's describing some people in this debate but I am sure but not me or a number of others offering facts where trying to refute unsupported claims. We welcome data and facts very openly you just don't offer any.

I do hope your right about it all just been the weather and cycles, you just need to russel up a few facts that support it or just give it more time so we can see what you seem to believe to be true, in the data.
Until then please refrain in inferring anyone believing in globle warming are...... please read your own quote.....

 

[Bury the Trash]

I'm even building more lambing sheds to get everything inside ready for it )

wow, you must be very confident in the sheep meat future.

 

[banjo]

Just look at the temps

 

[linga]

View attachment 647840 Just look at the temps

And this perhaps gives a better view of lower atmospheric temperature .
Note this is from the same UAH and note also that its still warming

 

[linga]

this might also be of interest

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/which-satellite-data/

and in particular the conclusion below

"Not only the wiggles, but the trends match. In fact the trend according to RATPAC is 1.91 +/- 0.51 deg.C/century, in excellent agreement with RSS TTT but flatly contradicting UAH TMT. It’s interesting to note that the correlation between RATPAC and satellite data sets is better for all three RSS data sets than for either UAH data set.

Bottom line: the reasons for the recent revisions to RSS data and direct comparison to balloon data both lead me to believe that the RSS data products are distinctly superior to the UAH data. In particular, the RSS TTT product, because it has a much better correction for stratospheric contamination, seems best of all, and matches the balloon data best. It’s also the satellite data set showing the fastest warming.

We don’t live in the upper atmosphere, we live on Earth’s surface, where temperature is measured by thermometers. Some people believe (and climate deniers want you to believe) that the satellite data sets are better than surface temperature data sets based on thermometer measurements. ‘Tain’t so. In fact, Carl Mears, lead scientist processing the satellite data for RSS, says outright that the surface temperature records are more accurate. You can hear him say so here(21 seconds in, at 0:21).

The reason deniers claim the satellite data is superior is that they want to discredit the surface temperature (thermometer) record, and that’s because the surface data show so much warming. But among the satellite data sets, there’s one which shows far less warming: UAH TMT. Odd that these days they make a habit of showing that one, the one satellite data set which shows the least warming and correlates least with balloon data. Come to think of it, it’s not odd at all…"

 

[linga]

Why not?

as Old McDonald says my reply was a tad short on explanation and his "it depends" is much better.

 

[Campani]

@banjo what do you think of Mcdonalds in America committing to carbon reduction targets to help towards the paris climate agreement?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-m...reenhouse-gas-reduction-targets-idUKKBN1GW1YV

 

[Farmer Roy]

 

[Farmer Roy]