The NI/ROI Protocol

Thecub

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Hindsight is very useful but at the moment a proper solution would be better. If it is the case that the EU have just used Northern Ireland as a political football to hurt the UK (which is what it looks like) I am very dismayed. Level mindedness must not exist in the higher echolons of power in Brussels. And yes it can be argued that Boris does not endear himself to the bureaucrats in Brussels but everyone kicking Northern Ireland is not on. Our biggest supplier is the UK and it is also our biggest market so this is definitely not the best of both worlds as we were told.
 

wdah/him

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tyrone
I think the protocol either needs eased as in looked at from a workable solution, or else let it be scraped and the eu can inforce all it wants, after all the guards are on the border now anyway with covid here so might as well do 2 jobs. Im fairly certain the EU thinks that Ireland is a major player within the EU and will obviously pay all additional costs sucha thing may lead too and ehlp them out in anyway they can, or would they?

The EU is sill trying its bst to give UK a kicking by any means possible, but will a united ireland soort anything for the EU? When will Ireland get a voice to say they want us and under what terms? how will a untied Ireland effect EU.


biggest question i have is why is the euro .86 against £? i thought that sterling would be wiped out of the market after brexit, worthless but somehow i havent seen that yet, how?

United ireland wont happen fast and will be sh1t storm, end the protocal and it will have to be sorted quick, yes sh1t storm but we are in that one already just brings an end game and shows that someone measn business and i havent seen the EU showing any concern other than we want this and giving nothing towards the UK. then again that is SF stance in Stormount, if they dont get what they wwant they huff.
 
Hindsight is very useful but at the moment a proper solution would be better. If it is the case that the EU have just used Northern Ireland as a political football to hurt the UK (which is what it looks like) I am very dismayed. Level mindedness must not exist in the higher echolons of power in Brussels. And yes it can be argued that Boris does not endear himself to the bureaucrats in Brussels but everyone kicking Northern Ireland is not on. Our biggest supplier is the UK and it is also our biggest market so this is definitely not the best of both worlds as we were told.
It's not all hindsight though, this was predicted and people were warned of it, but bluffers branded these warnings part of "project fear" or some other such imbecilic term.
Yet it still happened

We can say as often as we want that it shouldn't happen but it is.

Sometimes people have to suffer the consequences of other peoples actions, its not always fair, but from what I see its happening all the time.
 
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I think the protocol either needs eased as in looked at from a workable solution, or else let it be scraped and the eu can inforce all it wants, after all the guards are on the border now anyway with covid here so might as well do 2 jobs. Im fairly certain the EU thinks that Ireland is a major player within the EU and will obviously pay all additional costs sucha thing may lead too and ehlp them out in anyway they can, or would they?

The EU is sill trying its bst to give UK a kicking by any means possible, but will a united ireland soort anything for the EU? When will Ireland get a voice to say they want us and under what terms? how will a untied Ireland effect EU.


biggest question i have is why is the euro .86 against £? i thought that sterling would be wiped out of the market after brexit, worthless but somehow i havent seen that yet, how?

United ireland wont happen fast and will be sh1t storm, end the protocal and it will have to be sorted quick, yes sh1t storm but we are in that one already just brings an end game and shows that someone measn business and i havent seen the EU showing any concern other than we want this and giving nothing towards the UK. then again that is SF stance in Stormount, if they dont get what they wwant they huff.
I think the UK needs to stop playing the victim, leaving was always going to have down sides regardless of how many up sides it may bring, only stupid people would have assumed different.

The EU is a community, you're either in or you're out and you cannot move from being on the inside to being on the out and expect to be treated the same.
Surely anyone took this into account when the voted in the referendum.

What's happening to the UK is not the EU giving us a kicking or being spiteful, its a result of us voting for a brexit that was never defined, which so far I'm happy enough with, but maybe I expected less of Westminster than others did.

If someone walks into a restaurant and simply ask for a steak, they cannot complain if it's not what they expected. They may have had a medium rare sirloin in mind but if an overdone piece if frying steak turns up, it's still a steak.
 
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Ashtree

Member
I think the protocol either needs eased as in looked at from a workable solution, or else let it be scraped and the eu can inforce all it wants, after all the guards are on the border now anyway with covid here so might as well do 2 jobs. Im fairly certain the EU thinks that Ireland is a major player within the EU and will obviously pay all additional costs sucha thing may lead too and ehlp them out in anyway they can, or would they?

The EU is sill trying its bst to give UK a kicking by any means possible, but will a united ireland soort anything for the EU? When will Ireland get a voice to say they want us and under what terms? how will a untied Ireland effect EU.


biggest question i have is why is the euro .86 against £? i thought that sterling would be wiped out of the market after brexit, worthless but somehow i havent seen that yet, how?

United ireland wont happen fast and will be sh1t storm, end the protocal and it will have to be sorted quick, yes sh1t storm but we are in that one already just brings an end game and shows that someone measn business and i havent seen the EU showing any concern other than we want this and giving nothing towards the UK. then again that is SF stance in Stormount, if they dont get what they wwant they huff.
A menu of options were put on the table right from the outset by the EU. ALL were rejected by ERG/DUP!

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Thecub

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A menu of options were put on the table right from the outset by the EU. ALL were rejected by ERG/DUP!

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A menu of options were put on the table right from the outset by the EU. ALL were rejected by ERG/DUP!

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I am not defending Brexit or lies certain people promoted. I would like to see everyone just deal with the here and now. The EU are building a lot of bad feeling which just makes people more hard-line one way or the other. Maybe the EU don't care, but I would suggest that is a dangerous approach. If the EU is such a wonderful club why are they afraid of people leaving? Surely an organisation such as the EU should be a fair liberal club where everyone can get on with running their own countries as they see fit. It always puzzles me as to why they didn't just keep it a simple trading block. Everybody seemed happy when it was like that.
On the subject of fairness this is Northern Ireland. Yes their is plenty of unfair situations around the world I am sure, but here a fair balanced approach has always had to prevail since the good Friday agreement which is the only way this place can kinda function.
If much more harm becomes apparent from the full implementation of the protocol the DUP will bring stormount down or worse loyalist paramilitaries will start causing bother. What will the EU do then?
 
I don't think the EU is that great a place, but it must have importance, otherwise why would a hard core come what may brexiteer like Boris and his gang be bowing to them in the ways that they are?

I believe NI will have to stop playing the victim, man up and make it's own success, trading with the EU and GB has to have it's advantages.
If people want to dig in and yap about things I'd suggest that it could be a long wait, because it looks like Westminster don't really care what NI needs and ROI doesn't want the place as it will only bring them bother and the place it too top heavy to be affordable.
 

Thecub

Member
The EU have forced the protocol on us with the reluctant agreement of Boris. The victim card you can say is been played but it is legitimate. The light touch trusted trader scheme whereby a company only needs to file declarations if the goods are travelling to ROI should work fine. The EU can pick out particular consignments to audit/check and by all means let them have an office in Belfast and call it a revised protocol.
 
The EU have forced the protocol on us with the reluctant agreement of Boris. The victim card you can say is been played but it is legitimate. The light touch trusted trader scheme whereby a company only needs to file declarations if the goods are travelling to ROI should work fine. The EU can pick out particular consignments to audit/check and by all means let them have an office in Belfast and call it a revised protocol.
How do you know Boris was reluctant?
Either way, he signed it and if another system would have worked then someone should have explained that to him before he signed on the dotted line.

Personally I don't think he classed it as important in the grand scheme of things.
 

The Agrarian

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Location
Co Antrim
I don't think the EU is that great a place, but it must have importance, otherwise why would a hard core come what may brexiteer like Boris and his gang be bowing to them in the ways that they are?

I believe NI will have to stop playing the victim, man up and make it's own success, trading with the EU and GB has to have it's advantages.
If people want to dig in and yap about things I'd suggest that it could be a long wait, because it looks like Westminster don't really care what NI needs and ROI doesn't want the place as it will only bring them bother and the place it too top heavy to be affordable.
NI playing victim? No, actually it's genuinely being victimised by both the EU, the British government and the Irish government. The mess continues. As a mere consumer, who is not in business, and therefore not in a position to look for advantages in the trickery of the new agreements, my wife is still being fobbed off by companies who are scared to deliver goods to here, in case they get stuck at the port. It's easy for you to call someone else a victim-player, when you aren't in the same situation yourself.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
NI playing victim? No, actually it's genuinely being victimised by both the EU, the British government and the Irish government. The mess continues. As a mere consumer, who is not in business, and therefore not in a position to look for advantages in the trickery of the new agreements, my wife is still being fobbed off by companies who are scared to deliver goods to here, in case they get stuck at the port. It's easy for you to call someone else a victim-player, when you aren't in the same situation yourself.
There's no problem from goods to NI from the South and the EU. Talking to someone in NI on Friday for an order, no problem for the parts to go via the South.
 
NI playing victim? No, actually it's genuinely being victimised by both the EU, the British government and the Irish government. The mess continues. As a mere consumer, who is not in business, and therefore not in a position to look for advantages in the trickery of the new agreements, my wife is still being fobbed off by companies who are scared to deliver goods to here, in case they get stuck at the port. It's easy for you to call someone else a victim-player, when you aren't in the same situation yourself.
The same is happening here when it comes to importing from the EU or bringing anything from NI, but I'm not asking for things to change or claiming to be hard done by, I'm happy to suck it up and live with it.

We wanted out of Europe, surely nobody expected this to come at zero cost.
 

Ashtree

Member
There are a lot of victims of Brexit and not all in NI.
Fishermen and all sorts of businesses in the UK, have been delivered a sickening blow. The current silence of the leading Brexiteers tells a lot.
This whole thing is going to get a lot worse, before it gets any better.
The state industrial agencies responsible for inward investment in ROI, are in turbo charged overdrive, targeting British business to set up in ROI, to get themselves out of this mess.
That’s exactly what NI should be doing now. Not wailing about the protocol. It’s an international agreement and is going nowhere. Implement and refine it and move on.
Meanwhile lure mainland UK industry to NI, to take advantage of being in the customs union.
 

alex04w

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Co Antrim

JimAndy

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Location
portadown
NI playing victim? No, actually it's genuinely being victimised by both the EU, the British government and the Irish government. The mess continues. As a mere consumer, who is not in business, and therefore not in a position to look for advantages in the trickery of the new agreements, my wife is still being fobbed off by companies who are scared to deliver goods to here, in case they get stuck at the port. It's easy for you to call someone else a victim-player, when you aren't in the same situation yourself.
But is this a not a mess of our own making. we had over a year to get systems in place and test them, so that when the protocol came in effect it would (our side of a few teething problems) work. instead Mister Poots sat with his fingers in his ears going "LALALALA", it was only when Groves give him a kick up the ass did he start building some custom posts and even at that he did it a slowly as possible. and now we got the unelected Diane dodds totally refusing to even look at any ideas that might help, because it would put the english to have to follow some EU rules. does she work for the people of N.I. or England

and on another note Why is it that when people were pointing out that the people of NI vote to stay in the EU all you heard was "it a UK wide vote it doesn't matter what the regions voted". well the border in the Irish sea was was overwhelming voted for and accepted by the people of the UK (as shown by the massive vote for boris), but now the the people who were telling us that what he regions want doesn't matter and going "We N.I we special "
 

Ashtree

Member
But is this a not a mess of our own making. we had over a year to get systems in place and test them, so that when the protocol came in effect it would (our side of a few teething problems) work. instead Mister Poots sat with his fingers in his ears going "LALALALA", it was only when Groves give him a kick up the ass did he start building some custom posts and even at that he did it a slowly as possible. and now we got the unelected Diane dodds totally refusing to even look at any ideas that might help, because it would put the english to have to follow some EU rules. does she work for the people of N.I. or England

and on another note Why is it that when people were pointing out that the people of NI vote to stay in the EU all you heard was "it a UK wide vote it doesn't matter what the regions voted". well the border in the Irish sea was was overwhelming voted for and accepted by the people of the UK (as shown by the massive vote for boris), but now the the people who were telling us that what he regions want doesn't matter and going "We N.I we special "
Reg Empey puts it all in a nutshell rather nicely. My takeaway, today’s unionist problem, is one of their own making. Best now to be getting over it, and getting on with it. https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/letters/lord-empey-arlene-foster-is-in-no-place-to-lead-unionism-out-of-the-irish-sea-border-mess-that-her-dup-helped-create-3141943
 

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer
Statement from GOLI

Legal challenge against NI Protocol welcomed

The Orange Institution both welcomes and supports the legal challenge against the Northern Ireland Protocol which is being pursed and supported jointly by the Unionist parties.

The Orange Institution has been clear in its opposition to the NI Protocol and the Irish Sea Border that it has created, which sets Northern Ireland as a place apart from the rest of the United Kingdom. The NI Protocol is totally unacceptable.

It is encouraging to see the unionist parties come together in support of this legal challenge, which we trust will be a step towards the removal of this fundamentally flawed Protocol.

The Unionist parties have the full backing of the Orange Institution in their combined efforts to remove the NI Protocol. Simply tweaking or attempting to soften the impact of the NI Protocol will not be accepted. The Northern Ireland Protocol must go now!
 
Statement from GOLI

Legal challenge against NI Protocol welcomed

The Orange Institution both welcomes and supports the legal challenge against the Northern Ireland Protocol which is being pursed and supported jointly by the Unionist parties.

The Orange Institution has been clear in its opposition to the NI Protocol and the Irish Sea Border that it has created, which sets Northern Ireland as a place apart from the rest of the United Kingdom. The NI Protocol is totally unacceptable.

It is encouraging to see the unionist parties come together in support of this legal challenge, which we trust will be a step towards the removal of this fundamentally flawed Protocol.

The Unionist parties have the full backing of the Orange Institution in their combined efforts to remove the NI Protocol. Simply tweaking or attempting to soften the impact of the NI Protocol will not be accepted. The Northern Ireland Protocol must go now!
Well we'll all sleep better knowing that the OO back this :ROFLMAO:

While we're at it is there a statement from any of the characters of Sesame Street to indicate what they think, or any other organisations that have no significance what so ever.
Rosie and Jim are going pure mental about their canal boat being searched every time they set off.
 

JimAndy

Member
Location
portadown
Statement from GOLI

Legal challenge against NI Protocol welcomed

The Orange Institution both welcomes and supports the legal challenge against the Northern Ireland Protocol which is being pursed and supported jointly by the Unionist parties.

The Orange Institution has been clear in its opposition to the NI Protocol and the Irish Sea Border that it has created, which sets Northern Ireland as a place apart from the rest of the United Kingdom. The NI Protocol is totally unacceptable.

It is encouraging to see the unionist parties come together in support of this legal challenge, which we trust will be a step towards the removal of this fundamentally flawed Protocol.

The Unionist parties have the full backing of the Orange Institution in their combined efforts to remove the NI Protocol. Simply tweaking or attempting to soften the impact of the NI Protocol will not be accepted. The Northern Ireland Protocol must go now!
i hope they using their own money to fund this.
also why was it acceptable for years for us to have

to show ID before getting on a flight and ferry to the mainland (effectively putting passport control in the irish sea)

to have to have out machinery inspected and washed before we could import it

to have animals tested and checked before we could import them

to have our own independent civil services

a NHS that is a different model to the rest of the UK

our own driving jurisdiction, were you could be bad from driving in Great Britain but still drive here, and vice versa

a form of local government that is unacceptable in any other part of the UK


but now they complain that it unfair we treated different from the rest of the UK
 

Could a ‘Meat Tax’ be on the cards in the UK?

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Written by Richard Halleron from Agriland

The latest machination coming from the so-called ‘opinion formers’, who seem to have the ear of government advisors in London, is the introduction of a ‘Meat Tax’ at consumer level.

This approach, it is argued, would have the combined impact of reducing meat consumption levels (I can really see the health benefits coming through now), while also helping to reduce the overall carbon footprint of production agriculture.

What absolute drivel! In my opinion, none of this makes sense at any level. This is a scurrilous and unfounded attack on livestock farming in this part of the world.

Yet, it has to be taken seriously. I make this point because economists at Rothamsted Research have already crunched the numbers where the introduction of a ‘UK...
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