The squeeze on milk and meat continues...

[Hilly]

and these molecules, where will they come from? Presumably we fit a toilet at one end of the device and food prints out the other?

Like subway ?

 

[DrWazzock]

I think somebody worked out that you’d need a vast amount of power stations to provide all the energy to produce all this synthetic meat when you can have it “for free” by ruminants eating grass harvesting solar energy without having to mine the earth for all the nasties needed to make solar panel power stations etc. That kind of blew the synthetic meat argument out of the water for me. It requires a vast amount of synthetic input in terms of materials and energy that natural meat could provide more benignly in harmony with the natural environment. I could shoot a pheasant in the woods that’s lives on natural food quite benignly or eat some sludge out of some powered chemical reactor.
Nobody even knows the knock on effects of the synthetic meat to the environment and believe me there will be plenty.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

The current industrialized, animal-agriculture system will be replaced with a Food-
as-Software model, where foods are engineered by scientists at a molecular level
and uploaded to databases that can be accessed by food designers anywhere
in the world. This will result in a far more distributed, localized food-production
system that is more stable and resilient than the one it replaces. The new
production system will be shielded from volume and price volatility due to the
vagaries of seasonality, weather, drought, disease and other natural, economic,
and political factors. Geography will no longer offer any competitive advantage.
We will move from a centralized system dependent on scarce resources to a
distributed system based on abundant resources.

That's originally from RethinkX, a supposedly independent think tank that is actually anything but independent. It was founded and funded by tech investors and pushes ideas that would financially benefit those who fund it - in other words, it's propaganda.

 

[Cowabunga]

and these molecules, where will they come from? Presumably we fit a toilet at one end of the device and food prints out the other?

Some possibilities include algae that grown in water and feed on light and some nutrients. Almost certainly precision yeasts. All helped along by renewable energy electricity and the elimination of three or four cost layers which are the farmer/grower, the transport to, the processor. It will be a totally vertically integrated food production process where every aspect apart from the distribution to the supermarket is at one site with one profit taker and a skeleton staff processing hundreds of thousands of tons per year per factory.

It may not be exactly that way but you can bet that all but arable farming will have virtually disappeared from the UK within the next forty years. There will only be a few niche producers left. Within four or five years the squeeze will really be felt by even the most efficient lowest cost producers. Unrelentingly.

 

[Old apprentice]

Allan Savery was at groundswell the other year has learnt to do marvelous with poor dry land . If you go on you tub you will find some great video, really they should be showno in all schools .When they have killed of livestock farming the penny will drop at least I hope so farming is the least of the climates problem. Industrial etc shite is far worse. But other people and industries have to blame some one else other than them selves big money used to do this .

 

[delilah]

Just to put a shout out for Government in all of this. They aren't stupid. The important people in Defra are quite capable of joining the dots; jobs in the food chain, ELMS money to maintain the grazed landscape for the tourist economy, food security from home produced protein.
We may be doing a quite appalling job as an industry in terms of getting the media on our side, but ultimately we will be saved from our own incompetence by strategic thinkers in the corridors of power.

 

[Cowabunga]

That's originally from RethinkX, a supposedly independent think tank that is actually anything but independent. It was founded and funded by tech investors and pushes ideas that would financially benefit those who fund it - in other words, it's propaganda.

Actually it is a warning piece, far from being propaganda. It is a forecast of how things are likely to go. It may not be exactly correct in every aspect but the trends are here already for all to see. We are off the starting blocks and following the road they have mapped. They aren't building the road, only mapping the direction, route and destination that the road and its travellers are almost inevitably taking over the second and third quarter of the 21st Century.

 

[More to life]

This is just a wish list no government will artificially raise the price of food. Curbs on production will just export the pollution.

 

[RobJC]

Very good video, worth watching and sharing:

Another:

If we replace all of the UK vehicle fleet with EVs, and assuming they use the most resource-frugal next-generation batteries, we would need the following materials:

• 207,900 tonnes of cobalt – just under twice the annual global production;
• 264,600 tonnes of lithium carbonate – three quarters of the world’s production;
• at least 7,200 tonnes of neodymium and dysprosium nearly the entire world production of neodymium;
• 2,362,500 tonnes of copper – more than half the world’s production in 2018.

And this is just for the UK. It is estimated that the manufacturing capacity for EV batteries would have to increase more than 500-fold if we want the whole world to be transported by electric vehicles. The vast increases in the supply of the materials described above would go far beyond known reserves.

Source: https://www.thegwpf.org/new-paper-decarbonisation-plans-fail-engineering-reality-check/

 

[farmerm]

Some possibilities include algae that grown in water and feed on light and some nutrients. Almost certainly precision yeasts. All helped along by renewable energy electricity and the elimination of three or four cost layers which are the farmer/grower, the transport to, the processor. It will be a totally vertically integrated food production process where every aspect apart from the distribution to the supermarket is at one site with one profit taker and a skeleton staff processing hundreds of thousands of tons per year per factory.

It may not be exactly that way but you can bet that all but arable farming will have virtually disappeared from the UK within the next forty years. There will only be a few niche producers left. Within four or five years the squeeze will really be felt by even the most efficient lowest cost producers. Unrelentingly.

Perhaps I am wrong to think in terms of all the N, P and K sources I need to bring in to produce food from sunlight... I suppose protein and fat are just carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and nitrogen, all could be plucked from the air. Iron, zinc and trace elements could be given in a pill. Probably all that is needed in any significant quantity that can not come from the atmosphere would be a modest 2-3g/person/day of phosphorus, potassium and calcium and some plastic micro fibres for fibre...

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Actually it is a warning piece, far from being propaganda. It is a forecast of how things are likely to go. It may not be exactly correct in every aspect but the trends are here already for all to see. We are off the starting blocks and following the road they have mapped. They aren't building the road, only mapping the direction, route and destination that the road and its travellers are almost inevitably taking over the second and third quarter of the 21st Century.

Nope, it's propaganda. A piece from a biased think tank that happens to align perfectly with the aims of those funding it. It's an increasingly common trick these days - found and fund a supposedly independent think tank, which then happens to produce a whole load of guff that favours those funding it. Barilla CFN is another example that jumps straight to mind.

 

[DaveGrohl]

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WEF want net-zero by 2050, government want net zero. People do not realise the impact.

Livestock farming is a easy target, a relatively small and poor industry with low employment, to sacrifice to help reach their goals.

Covid has been a means to accelerate on the path to net zero. Just compare to where we were 15 months ago, relentless propaganda and fear mongering, can shape an entire nation/nations. Still lockdowned when daily deaths with covid are below road deaths. How else do you reach zero in 29 years without restricting people's movements and freedoms?

Just to make my position clear: I despise the government/WEF/oppressors. To them we are worker ants.

Thanks for cheering me up, that diagram is just comical.

 

[stroller]

I think somebody worked out that you’d need a vast amount of power stations to provide all the energy to produce all this synthetic meat when you can have it “for free” by ruminants eating grass harvesting solar energy without having to mine the earth for all the nasties needed to make solar panel power stations etc. That kind of blew the synthetic meat argument out of the water for me. It requires a vast amount of synthetic input in terms of materials and energy that natural meat could provide more benignly in harmony with the natural environment. I could shoot a pheasant in the woods that’s lives on natural food quite benignly or eat some sludge out of some powered chemical reactor.
Nobody even knows the knock on effects of the synthetic meat to the environment and believe me there will be plenty.

Or the health implications, after a few years those companies will be the new Monsanto, still, we need something to thin the human herd so bring it on, I'll have to start keeping some pet lambs and pigs

 

[farmerm]

sounds like farmers next door face similar challenges to us https://fb.watch/4_-FeaCiCE/

 

[wanton dwarf]

Just to put a shout out for Government in all of this. They aren't stupid. The important people in Defra are quite capable of joining the dots; jobs in the food chain, ELMS money to maintain the grazed landscape for the tourist economy, food security from home produced protein.
We may be doing a quite appalling job as an industry in terms of getting the media on our side, but ultimately we will be saved from our own incompetence by strategic thinkers in the corridors of power.

So it's all a mistake then ?

Decades of government spending, 100,000s of employees, training. COP26 now .. what is being said is a front ?

No. We have governments all over the world systematically destroying ways of life, industries and moving £Trillions into different hands.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Thanks for cheering me up, that diagram is just comical.

I can't even call it comical. It's a disgrace that UK taxpayers footed the bill for such utter bilge, courtesy of the 5 million quid that lot extracted from the Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council.

 

[Hilly]

sounds like farmers next door face similar challenges to us https://fb.watch/4_-FeaCiCE/

Bit of a character him , I thought it was a comedian to start with .

 

[wanton dwarf]

The current industrialized, animal-agriculture system will be replaced with a Food-
as-Software model, where foods are engineered by scientists at a molecular level
and uploaded to databases that can be accessed by food designers anywhere
in the world. This will result in a far more distributed, localized food-production
system that is more stable and resilient than the one it replaces. The new
production system will be shielded from volume and price volatility due to the
vagaries of seasonality, weather, drought, disease and other natural, economic,
and political factors. Geography will no longer offer any competitive advantage.
We will move from a centralized system dependent on scarce resources to a
distributed system based on abundant resources.

Yeah right.

Rain is free, some fertiliser is free, sunshine is free .. this costs £Billions just to create. All parts will require energy, manpower, water, resources .. and where are the key resources for food coming from ? Sewerage ? Because that's only recycleable source.

Is this the grand plan ? Printed food from sewerage ?

We all know what processed food gives .. cancer, obessity and heart disease.

 

[Dukes Fit]

Have all the clever people that make up these targets forgotten that co2 emissions in the atmosphere were down in some places by 80% during the height of the pandemic?

Less planes, vehicles etc burning up fuel ..... same amount of cows.

Read today that civil servants in Scotland have effectively defied ministerial instruction off the back of a farmer led group. They’d rather just reduce the herd count by 300,000 instead of being more efficient

 

[wanton dwarf]

Read today that civil servants in Scotland have effectively defied ministerial instruction off the back of a farmer led group. They’d rather just reduce the herd count by 300,000 instead of being more efficient

If this is a media article can you either post part of the article or link please - I could read that sentance in two ways.