Thin end of wedge

[Johnnyboxer]

Permission needed for Grouse Shoots in Scotland

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Permission needed for Grouse Shoots in Scotland

Grouse shooting to require licence in Scotland

Scottish environment minister said self-regulation by grouse shooting industry had failed

www.theguardian.com

 

[robs1]

Who will they blame when numbers plummet when the shoots go

 

[Kidds]

Intensive farmers.

 

[shelly reynolds]

Well that's the end of the Grouse then

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Well that's the end of the Grouse then

Seems like it
England next
Then pheasants
Where will it end?

 

[essexpete]

Will the grouse die out if not managed by man?

 

[TripleSix]

Will the grouse die out if not managed by man?

I think they'll be very low in numbers

 

[Oldmacdonald]

Why is this a problem?

 

[Dry Rot]

Why is this a problem?

It is grouse shooting that finances management like heather burning. It is what the economists call "an invisible export" because it's what overseas visitors will pay to do, so income from abroad without actually sending goods overseas.

Monoculture waist high heather is an ecological desert, nothing can live in it, as well as being a fire hazard. But I don't suppose the antis will believe that. I've trained pointing dogs on grouse moors for over 50 years and doing that will quickly tell you where the birds are to be found and what sort of habitat wildlife prefers. Given the right conditions (varied heather length) grouse populations can expand rapidly so shooting is healthy as it is regulated. If a moor becomes over populated with grouse, the ground becomes the grouse equivalent of "sheep sick" and the birds die off in large numbers. I've seen both.

 

[Stuart J]

Is there any statistics on how much muirburn is carried out each year?

 

[uztrac]

Seems like it
England next
Then pheasants
Where will it end?

Very sad situation,I have probably had the best of hunting & shooting over the years.A leftie agenda is pervading all of our traditional rural pastimes & social activities.I have never shot grouse but have enjoyed visits to the moors and talking to the keepers,yes,different times.

 

[TripleSix]

It all comes down to people interfering in things they have no idea about.

The loss of shooting threatens not just the shooting industry but places like my town with its hotels and pubs kept afloat over winter by the shooting crowd.

The estates that provide the shooting, employing keepers.

The farms on the estate that may be sold and cease farming, affecting the local agri suppliers and feed mills.

All because a bunch of people don't like what another bunch of people are doing.

Something that doesn't affect them.

 

[Gone Shooting]

Tin hat on and someone who has their own shoot etc it looks like that the self policing has shot its self in the foot. You cant go around shooting eagles FFS and get away with it - we are plagued by buzzards and the odd goshawk which take poults but you have to work around it. I know the grouse moors are vast ( maybe put some partridge down for the raptors may help ??? ) and not the same as a small farm shoot to control but the big money spenders in their helicopters expecting the perfect day have ultimately tolled the death knell. In these present times activities like game shooting cant have bad press - we have to keep our heads down and through good countryside management providing habitat and feed for all wildlife and not just game birds we may enjoy country pursuits for a little longer.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

It is grouse shooting that finances management like heather burning. It is what the economists call "an invisible export" because it's what overseas visitors will pay to do, so income from abroad without actually sending goods overseas.

Monoculture waist high heather is an ecological desert, nothing can live in it, as well as being a fire hazard. But I don't suppose the antis will believe that. I've trained pointing dogs on grouse moors for over 50 years and doing that will quickly tell you where the birds are to be found and what sort of habitat wildlife prefers. Given the right conditions (varied heather length) grouse populations can expand rapidly so shooting is healthy as it is regulated. If a moor becomes over populated with grouse, the ground becomes the grouse equivalent of "sheep sick" and the birds die off in large numbers. I've seen both.

eventually the grouse moors will be blanket planted in sitka spruce and all biodiversity will disappear (and lots of carbon will be released from the peat), but people will be able to pat themselves on the back for planting trees and offsetting, all to the detriment of wildlife, ecology, landscape and the rural economy but our ecologically and scientifically illiterate politicians will be busy congratulating each other for a job well done!

 

[toquark]

I don’t think it’s the thin end of the wedge. I think the wedge is well through being driven home.

The SG has form with regards commissioning these reports then ignoring them. Did the same with air gun licensing.

I detest the constant encroachment into my way of life by people who don’t know or want to know anything about it.

 

[spanners and hammers]

thin end of the wedge not always a bad thing the thick end is the end that gets the bashing

 

[Bald Rick]

I see that Liz Bonnin - she of the meat film on BBC that actually got pulled for being factually incorrect following complaints by the NFU - has been appointed chair of the Wildlife Trusts.

Will be interesting to see if Tim Davie sacks her for taking a politicised role ....

Quite fit though

 

[Bald Rick]

I see that Liz Bonnin - she of the meat film on BBC that actually got pulled for being factually incorrect following complaints by the NFU - has been appointed chair of the Wildlife Trusts.

Will be interesting to see if Tim Davie sacks her for taking a politicised role ....

Quite fit though

Liz Bonnin Wildlife Trusts appointment sparks farmer backlash - Farmers Weekly

Farmers have voiced concerns on Twitter about the appointment of TV presenter Liz Bonnin as the first female president of the Wildlife Trusts. Wildlife

www.fwi.co.uk

Doesn't want to give up meat IMO

 

[delilah]

@Chris F recently sent Craig Bennett an invite to come on a farm walk. Did he accept ? He should bring Liz Bonnin along as part of her introduction to the role she now holds.