This time next month, virus.

[jh.]

I had covid a month ago. I'm double jabbed with AZ and had mild symptoms. I'm wondering if I really need the booster. I've been told I'm pretty much immune from covid for 90 days by which time omicron will hopefully had run its course.
Surely my natural immunity is as good or better than the booster jab.

I can't understand why after having covid and getting natural immunity , they say to wait 28days before a booster . Why is the booster needed ?.

It's like a professor on tv other day. South Africa have milder omicron cases but they have natural immunity while ours is out a bottle .

In other words we have no idea but let's keep jabbing folk anyway . Least the vax companies are making money.

I'm due my booster but decided to wait a few weeks to hear if it actually works and for more data on if omicron is less severe . Imo someone old or vunerable should take it but I'm not so sure about the rest of us

 

[Exfarmer]

I feel that your last couple of lines are very unfair and unjustified,and a blinkered stereotype of certain sectors of society.
People I know have many different reasons for not getting an unknown unproven vaccine/booster.
On farm survey of 5 people yesterday, 2 have had 2 jabs. 3 have had no jabs and no desire to for various reasons. None of 5 are known to have had Kong flu, but all feel think that at one time or another they may have or have had good opportunities to catch from infected people. 2 that have had jab, do not see understand why booster should be necessary, and unless forced further by powers that be will not be having it.
But icing comes from higher up as audit took place yesterday and boss man although wearing mask, announced at end how he did not feel well and had not for few days.
I suppose you can sit in your bubble safe in the knowledge that your crown will not slip and trip you up. We all have one life to live and should live it as we individually see fit.
I will not call you silly or any the other as you have followed suit and become a potential pin cushion.

The simple steps I am talking about are nothing harsh, why not have a jab? Why not wear a mask , look at the crowds at the football yes they showed a pass which attracted cursory attention but why no masks?

 

[Oliveau]

Or it will peak within about a week or two - like every other wave has done

Reports from SA suggest that Omicron is already in decline. Seems to affect the young and the unvaccinated.

Masks are not really to protect us from catching it, rather to prevent us from spreading it.

 

[Wombat]

Had a week of home schooling last week after a positive PCR.

Straight into it. No issues, happy to buckle down and crack on.

New skill learnt and honed in previous lockdown.

The thing is a week is very different to the 3 months b@llocks we had in Jan to Mar this year, if they shut the schools they need to make a furlough scheme for parents as you just cannot work full time and home school.

 

[ollie989898]

Precisely. In my opinion if folk just went to work if they can’t from home, shop for food and not socialise in big numbers then it would be a sort of self inflicted lockdown. Maybe this is what Bojo hopes but knowing the public at large, huge numbers won’t bother. Lots of folk walking around a couple of big motorway services today indoors with no face masks! What chance have we got?

I think the public won't really engage with any more virus measures. Put it in perspective- everything has been tried or done and nothing has worked so why would they bother?

 

[Sid]

The thing is a week is very different to the 3 months b@llocks we had in Jan to Mar this year, if they shut the schools they need to make a furlough scheme for parents as you just cannot work full time and home school.

I agree, but I was impressed with the attitude and acceptance.
Probably knowing it was only for a week helped alot.
Was an article I read where a boss said productivity in office staff had dropped since working from home became a normality.

 

[Oliveau]

There are about 5% of patients in hospital with covid. 25% of them didn't go in for covid. Of the rest about 50/50 seem to vaccinated give or take.

There's seems an inordinate focus on the unvaccinated in my eyes

I just wish that the Beeb, instead of frightening us with daily figures, would tell us how many new cases are in vaccinated as opposed to unvaccinated.

 

[Pigken]

The simple steps I am talking about are nothing harsh, why not have a jab? Why not wear a mask , look at the crowds at the football yes they showed a pass which attracted cursory attention but why no masks?

I have no issue with masks think they are great. But surely consistency is required. Eg, child's activity in village hall few Sundays ago. Parents not been allowed in for weeks, drop child off and sit in car for hour and quarter. But for grading we were allowed in masked up, fine. But of approximately 30 - 35 parents carers there, 5 or more with out masks. Then 40 ish 7 to 14 year old in middle of hall, then 6 adults organiser's on other side and elder teenage helpers none of whom had masks on. Now where is the benefit to any unless all follow suite.
Many people I know of are extremely reluctant to have an untested un proven vaccine put into their body, when the main benefits seem to be to the financial gain of the pharmaceutical companies and the bragging rights of a moronic morally inept leader who can not remember weather he fastened his flies, or even set a good example to those he is meant to be leading, by sticking to the rules he has set.
I was brought up to respect and accept rules and regulations from up high, but the pure arrogance of the establishment in their one rule for the plebs and we can still do what we want and get away with it has touched a nerve with many I feel. Especially when, they then think its OK to just apologise and release a statement on how sorry they are. Lead by example. We all make mistakes but they incompetence is flabbergasting now.

 

[Pigken]

We all have different experiences with this pandemic, in how it has affected us, our families, business etc. And not totally against mask wearing etc. But when you have lots of people queuing at a vaccination center on advise of the great only to have to go home as they ran out of vaccine. What a way to get the spread going.
Some people have a fundamental issue with been lied to. The vaccine was sold to us as would stop you getting and passing on then, oh well you still get it but not as severe but then oh come on a little booster and then what.

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

The science of virus transmission has been studied for a very long time.
There is a magical number of around 85% that needs to have been vaccinated or have had the virus to eventually stop it from spreading and mutating.
Anyone who works in areas with other people are irresponsible if they don't get jabbed and if they live a hermit's life.

There is absolutely no doubt that once the 85% is achieved across the broad spectrum of the population then the virus will be beaten. I believe the figure in London is less than 60%.

 

[bobk]

After today's numbers, probably buy the first weeks of January there will be way over 100000 a day. I think after Xmas day the country will shut again for a month. This get a jag won't hold it back in the end it will be out of control, Johnstone always playing it up but that expert looked and sounded worried tonight.

Be 100,000 by weekend

 

[redsloe]

Be 100,000 by weekend

The more tests that get done, the more positives you'll get.
Must be on second infections by now?
Anybody on here had it twice?

 

[milkloss]

Positive rate is about 10%..... I think it was about 9% a few weeks ago. It's about the only stat worth looking at but they make it quite awkward to find.

plenty around here have claimed to have had it twice...... I call b0llocks with most on that though.

 

[MRT]

if staying open in a pandemic is so vital to these businesses why havent they installed big ventilation or air purifying systems, theyve had nearly 2 years to get their act together

Same reason they have not been installed in the hospitals and schools probably. Not sure what it is though

 

[fgc325j]

I love your dedication but a waste of time for covid transmission per the BBC.

I reckon it's more effective than singing "Happy Birthday" to yourself whilst washing your hands - now that was sh*t advice from Boris.

 

[jondear]

I’m not vaccinated. I’ll roll the dice with COVID rather than have the vaccine.

Are you not getting worried?

 

[Courier]

I reckon it's more effective than singing "Happy Birthday" to yourself whilst washing your hands - now that was sh*t advice from Boris.

And that was the advice being given out on landing cards to Heathrow in May 2020

 

[Martin Holden]

The expert would have the country locked down already but boris gets the stick for trying to mediate imo. People need to do whats right by themselves. If people were more sensible then daily life wouldnt be so effected. January is going to be rough.

Fair point but folk in general won’t do the right thing and self lock down as such

 

[primmiemoo]

I wonder how the vaccine affects natural immunity? If it stops you from getting ill with it does it also stop your immune system from the challenge levels required to create lasting immunity?
Is there any risk of mass vaccination actually prolonging the epidemic?

For those who have acquired an immunity by catching covid, the vaccinations are boosters. Wait 28 days after infection, and then eligible to take a vaccine.

Within our immune system are a type of cell that stores a memory of previous infection, which, on the next challenge, instructs production of antibodies against that renewed threat. It's fascinating how it all works.

Mass vaccination will shorten the pandemic. The more people with immune systems primed to fight the virus, the less chance it has to mutate, as well.

 

[Mouser]

The science of virus transmission has been studied for a very long time.
There is a magical number of around 85% that needs to have been vaccinated or have had the virus to eventually stop it from spreading and mutating.
Anyone who works in areas with other people are irresponsible if they don't get jabbed and if they live a hermit's life.

There is absolutely no doubt that once the 85% is achieved across the broad spectrum of the population then the virus will be beaten. I believe the figure in London is less than 60%.

That's only for a vaccine that prevents transmission. Plenty of countries with high vax rates and twice weekly pcr tests for unvaccinated have just the same transmission as ones with low vax rates.