Tory wipeout in scotland???

[Henarar]

I voted SNP and for once my vote has counted. A good result north of the border.

So your a leave supporter

 

[Muck Spreader]

I hope us Scots have more sense than to jump ship now. We need to give brexit a chance and wait out the generation vote imo . See how things go over coming years , if brexit is a disaster then fair enough . The snp might be enough to keep the Tories on their toes in the future north of the border without the need to crawl back to the Euro lot cap in hand

The result has probably increased the likelihood of some sort of BRINO occurring. Boris has a big majority so he can sideline the loons in the ERG. Many of his new intake represent areas that are dependent on continuing EU trade and need to be kept on-board. Finally if he wants to keep the union together he has to seriously take into account the wishes of Scotland and Northern Ireland.

 

[Henarar]

The result has probably increased the likelihood of some sort of BRINO occurring. Boris has a big majority so he can sideline the loons in the ERG. Many of his new intake represent areas that are dependent on continuing EU trade and need to be kept on-board. Finally if he wants to keep the union together he has to seriously take into account the wishes of Scotland and Northern Ireland.

With any luck

 

[turbo]

The result has probably increased the likelihood of some sort of BRINO occurring. Boris has a big majority so he can sideline the loons in the ERG. Many of his new intake represent areas that are dependent on continuing EU trade and need to be kept on-board. Finally if he wants to keep the union together he has to seriously take into account the wishes of Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Still spouting rubbish I see! I would think most of the new MPs are nearer the erg than to liberal end of the party and these northern voters who have backed Boris hold similar views to erg on brexit

 

[Briar]

As a Scot am I alone in being cynical of the rhetoric coming out of Holyrood - or any politician for that matter? I was under the impression education and the NHS were devolved matters that the SNP were in control of, or am I wrong?

If Scotland decides to go it alone I'm curious on how the SNP envisage to balance the budget? After all, no more cash injections from England via the Barnett formula. Oil industry isn't exactly booming. We would be saying to our single biggest trading partner "to feck off", (a bit like Brexit) and tie our hands to political masters in Brussels in lieu of Westminster? Really?
Are the EU now going to welcome Nicola with open arms and supply the much needed financial input in view of their economic position? In euro's of course.
If permitted to embrace the EU would we not have to guard against our waters for fishing, oil and other assets being sacrificed for economic support?
Being tied to the EU what tariffs would Trump impose on our exports of whisky etc?
Are we to become a quaint idiosyncratic holiday destination of whisky, shortbread and midgies?

At a recent meeting the speaker - a former SNP, labour and union activist - claimed that 51% of the current local workforce (north east of Scotland) - were employed in the public sector, how is that ever going to be sustainable?

I get that some up here feel disillusioned and remote from Westminster, perhaps Nicola should consider embracing Putin instead. That would get Westminster and Brussels to take note, open up new markets, provide alternate investment (non nuclear of course and with strange uniforms) and we wouldn't even have to do anything with our land border as our neighbours would do it for us! And our esteemed leader would get all the attention she craves.

Boris may not be everyone's cup of tea but the alternatives are even more alarming.

 

[holywell farmer]

Tories have 6 seats in Scotland

 

[Nithsdale]

Just saw the SNP take Rutherglen from Labour, a good win for them. But... 22000 SNP votes and >30000 votes for unionist parties.

You do understand there are passionately strong Labour, LibDem and even Tory voters in Scotland - who simply will not vote for a party other than their own... but who still support Scottish Independence.

It is simply not a case of those who want independence vote SNP and those who don't, don't.

 

[Nithsdale]

As a Scot am I alone in being cynical of the rhetoric coming out of Holyrood - or any politician for that matter? I was under the impression education and the NHS were devolved matters that the SNP were in control of, or am I wrong?

If Scotland decides to go it alone I'm curious on how the SNP envisage to balance the budget? After all, no more cash injections from England via the Barnett formula. Oil industry isn't exactly booming. We would be saying to our single biggest trading partner "to feck off", (a bit like Brexit) and tie our hands to political masters in Brussels in lieu of Westminster? Really?
Are the EU now going to welcome Nicola with open arms and supply the much needed financial input in view of their economic position? In euro's of course.
If permitted to embrace the EU would we not have to guard against our waters for fishing, oil and other assets being sacrificed for economic support?
Being tied to the EU what tariffs would Trump impose on our exports of whisky etc?
Are we to become a quaint idiosyncratic holiday destination of whisky, shortbread and midgies?

At a recent meeting the speaker - a former SNP, labour and union activist - claimed that 51% of the current local workforce (north east of Scotland) - were employed in the public sector, how is that ever going to be sustainable?

I get that some up here feel disillusioned and remote from Westminster, perhaps Nicola should consider embracing Putin instead. That would get Westminster and Brussels to take note, open up new markets, provide alternate investment (non nuclear of course and with strange uniforms) and we wouldn't even have to do anything with our land border as our neighbours would do it for us! And our esteemed leader would get all the attention she craves.

Boris may not be everyone's cup of tea but the alternatives are even more alarming.

What financial boost do we get from Barnett?
You've fallen hook line and sinker for the Westminster lies.

Scotland has to pay, pro-rata 10% to ALL infrastructure in England and Wales. We are finding HS2 yet will see nothing from it... yet we have to pay 100% for our own - Queensferry crossing. Not a single help from the other nations.

Westminster borrow £10bn every year in Scotlands name - money which does not come to Scotland.

If you actually do some digging, you'll see who is propping up who!

 

[Danllan]

You do understand there are passionately strong Labour, LibDem and even Tory voters in Scotland - who simply will not vote for a party other than their own... but who still support Scottish Independence.

It is simply not a case of those who want independence vote SNP and those who don't, don't.

I do understand that, having a couple of family members who fit the description. However, as NS has said herself, a lot of SNP voters in Parliamentary elections will not vote for independence in a referendum. Perhaps these groups cancel one another out, or perhaps one is larger, I don't know. But I would wager that after Boris has opened the money bags and sent (removable) jobs up North, there will be a lot less for NS to whine about and that will be reflected at the ballot box.

 

[Nithsdale]

I do understand that, having a couple of family members who fit the description. However, as NS has said herself, a lot of SNP voters in Parliamentary elections will not vote for independence in a referendum. Perhaps these groups cancel one another out, or perhaps one is larger, I don't know. But I would wager that after Boris has opened the money bags and sent (removable) jobs up North, there will be a lot less for NS to whine about and that will be reflected at the ballot box.

You're correct on that. Im not sure how an indyref would result at the moment. I'm pro independence, but I don't want a referendum currently. We really need to see how Brexit unfolds first as I'm not too scared of life outside the EU, aslong as Westminster do right by us (my fear has always been they will fudge it)

Johnson has been quoted in the past as openly saying a penny spent in Swindon is better than a £ spent anywhere in Scotland...


We shall wait and see how this all turns out.

 

[caveman]

The result has probably increased the likelihood of some sort of BRINO occurring. Boris has a big majority so he can sideline the loons in the ERG. Many of his new intake represent areas that are dependent on continuing EU trade and need to be kept on-board. Finally if he wants to keep the union together he has to seriously take into account the wishes of Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Several ex Kippers in parliament now.
Sneaky or what?

 

[Danllan]

...Johnson has been quoted in the past as openly saying a penny spent in Swindon is better than a £ spent anywhere in Scotland...

We shall wait and see how this all turns out.

I'm uncertain which way Brexit will go, I suspect it will either be harder or softer than most think - Boris's majority allows for that now.

In re Boris's past words, if accurate... I think that the weight and responsibility of office trumps all else and, in any case, it makes enormous political sense for him to pour money in to reinforcing the union. And that goes for the seats in England and Wales that need help too.

 

[Pond digger]

The result has probably increased the likelihood of some sort of BRINO occurring. Boris has a big majority so he can sideline the loons in the ERG. Many of his new intake represent areas that are dependent on continuing EU trade and need to be kept on-board. Finally if he wants to keep the union together he has to seriously take into account the wishes of Scotland and Northern Ireland.

We Jimmy has such spite for England and the Tory government, that if they resurrected Hitler, she’d join with him rather than support the UK Union.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Several ex Kippers in parliament now.
Sneaky or what?

I see the Kippers only got 22k votes in total. I presume that is the end of the road for them?

 

[Muck Spreader]

We Jimmy has such spite for England and the Tory government, that if they resurrected Hitler, she’d join with him rather than support the UK Union.

I would say she is a patriot and not a "what's in it for me" merchant, like so many of the career politicians south of the boarder. If Boris turns his back on Scotland and NI what else are they supposed to do, fall inline like good little subjects perhaps?

 

[Nithsdale]

I'm uncertain which way Brexit will go, I suspect it will either be harder or softer than most think - Boris's majority allows for that now.

In re Boris's past words, if accurate... I think that the weight and responsibility of office trumps all else and, in any case, it makes enormous political sense for him to pour money in to reinforcing the union. And that goes for the seats in England and Wales that need help too.

No deal is political suicide for him and the party - aswell as enconomically for all of us.. There will be a deal done, but the devil will be in the detail whether it's good for us all or just the top 10%...

 

[Pond digger]

I would say she is a patriot and not a "what's in it for me" merchant, like so many of the career politicians south of the boarder. If Boris turns his back on Scotland and NI what else are they supposed to do, fall inline like good little subjects perhaps?

Seems to me that if anyone is turning their backs, it’s Wee Jimmy. If the Scottish are that keen then I would say get on with it, but personally I think it would be a sad day.

 

[jh.]

No deal is political suicide for him and the party - aswell as enconomically for all of us.. There will be a deal done, but the devil will be in the detail whether it's good for us all or just the top 10%...

I'm at stage now I'd vote a no deal just to get it finished with no more delays . Britain might have to actually start producing stuff again . Massey might never come back but maybe JCB will make an in house option kinda thing

 

[Nithsdale]

I'm at stage now I'd vote a no deal just to get it finished with no more delays . Britain might have to actually start producing stuff again . Massey might never come back but maybe JCB will make an in house option kinda thing

Desperation can make you do stupid things...


JCB ain't going to come back to building in the UK

 

[bobk]

I'm uncertain which way Brexit will go, I suspect it will either be harder or softer than most think - Boris's majority allows for that now.

In re Boris's past words, if accurate... I think that the weight and responsibility of office trumps all else and, in any case, it makes enormous political sense for him to pour money in to reinforcing the union. And that goes for the seats in England and Wales that need help too.

The joy of this majority is Boris can do brexit pretty much as he wants .
All this talk of 3 , 5 or 10 years to sort a future relationship is rubbish , December next year is it , and no one can stop him
Also the EU are frit of no deal so imo it'll get done .