Toyota launch LandCruiser Commercial in 2018

[Cowabunga]

thats what I meant towing capacity increase

Weight of truck unladen! The towing capacity is not relevant. Towing limits are lower that when not towing anyhow except for when the Ranger and similar ones.

You seem to be completely muddled about this. Overcomplicating things and linking things that don't directly relate.

 

[Simon Chiles]

Isn't that weight into C1 territory?

It was a direct quote from the gov website.
C1 category is for vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg, it’s what us oldies used to get automatically when we passed our car test. The trouble was that in order to avoid paying Class 1 drivers there used to be loads of 7.5 tonne trucks with big trailers so in order to close that loophole they reduced the Cat B to 3.5 tonne and introduced the C1 category. I think the C1+E has a trailer weight limit on it now for the above reason.

 

[rob1]

Weight of truck unladen! The towing capacity is not relevant. Towing limits are lower that when not towing anyhow except for when the Ranger and similar ones.

You seem to be completely muddled about this. Overcomplicating things and linking things that don't directly relate.

Makes no odds to me just reporting what they were doing and why

 

[Simon Chiles]

So before I sell my trailer can someone tell me what my license covers me for as I’m now a little confused.com

Passed my test after 1997 and have since passed a B+E trailer test. View attachment 639814

You can drive any size/power motorbike ( it says restricted to tricycle??? ), a car/pickup etc weighing less than 3.5 tonnes and because you passed your trailer test before 19/1/13 you can tow any size trailer. You can also drive a tractor and a lawn mower.

 

[Dave W]

You can drive any size/power motorbike ( it says restricted to tricycle??? ), a car/pickup etc weighing less than 3.5 tonnes and because you passed your trailer test before 19/1/13 you can tow any size trailer. You can also drive a tractor and a lawn mower.

Thanks for that. Relieved about the lawn mower bit

 

[Turra farmer]

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You're not the first in this thread to say that, but it's utterly irrelevant as any combination driven on a B+E licence in the UK is limited to 4.25 tonnes gross anyway. If DVSA stop you with 3 tonne behind one of those, chances are you're getting booked for overloading. Most farmers appear not to understand this. Perhaps deliberately.

Can you explain ?

 

[Joe S]

At least it hasn't got the lacklustre 2.4L from the Hilux

more to the point whats the bets thats the same 2.8L they put in the hilux over seas that we so badly want here?

 

[Johnnyboxer]

more to the point whats the bets thats the same 2.8L they put in the hilux over seas that we so badly want here?

I doubt they will fit it
Just launched a beefed up new Invincible X for 2018 and that has the 2.4 engine fitted

2.4 is enough they say

Isuzu have put their faith in a 1.9

Smaller engines with more bhp are the future, haven't you heard ?

Unless you want to spend £30k plus on an Amarok

 

[Joe S]

I doubt they will fit it
Just launched a beefed up new Invincible X for 2018 and that has the 2.4 engine fitted

2.4 is enough they say

Isuzu have put their faith in a 1.9

Smaller engines with more bhp are the future, haven't you heard ?

Unless you want to spend £30k plus on an Amarok

Future or not Toyota have shot them selves in the foot by not at least giving the option!
If it meets all the emissions sh*t why can’t they put it in? Just stupid

 

[roscoe erf]

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Can you explain ?

its wrong and been explained look at simon chiles posts

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Future or not Toyota have shot them selves in the foot by not at least giving the option!
If it meets all the emissions sh*t why can’t they put it in? Just stupid

Isuzu and Toyota must know best

 

[Turra farmer]

its wrong and been explained look at simon chiles posts

Any size trailer , it's the weight of trailer and gross train weight I'm interested in ,

 

[roscoe erf]

Any size trailer , it's the weight of trailer and gross train weight I'm interested in ,

you'll have to explain is it the ulw of the trailer the train weight of the Toyota or the licence required to drive it

 

[Lincsman]

thats what I meant towing capacity increase

No, its the unladen weight before adding a trailer that decides if you can do 60mph or 70mph... legally

 

[Fragonard]

I think I mentioned this on TFF last July

Only 1 small problem, the front end (curiously not pictured), it's, errr, pig feckin' ugly.

[Any word on whether the LWB has a 2nd row of seats? ]

Tunnel vision.
Anything that's not a Land Rover is ugly!

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Looking forward to a test drive in a swb one

 

[Mounty]

Couldn't see them on Toyota website earlier?

 

[CornishTone]

A stroke of genius from Toyota and a big up yours to Land rover I guess

If they were giving a “big up yours” to Land Rover they would’ve launched it whilst the Defender was still in production. This seems more like a “meh, there’s a gap in a market. What can we shoehorn into it? I know, let’s rip the back seats out of a Prado, stick some sh1t wheels on and see what we can get for it!”

It’s an opportunistic model release to test the water I reckon. If it sells you’ll see a better engine and higher towing capacity, if not then they’ll put the seats back in and carry on selling it to old feckers with caravans and no harm done.

If Toyota really wanted the Land Rover market they would’ve have brought the 70 to the UK with a compliment engine years ago, but like JLR they realise that the real money is in the city not on the farm. That’s my take on it anyway.[emoji848]

 

[Cowabunga]

If they were giving a “big up yours” to Land Rover they would’ve launched it whilst the Defender was still in production. This seems more like a “meh, there’s a gap in a market. What can we shoehorn into it? I know, let’s rip the back seats out of a Prado, stick some sh1t wheels on and see what we can get for it!”

It’s an opportunistic model release to test the water I reckon. If it sells you’ll see a better engine and higher towing capacity, if not then they’ll put the seats back in and carry on selling it to old feckers with caravans and no harm done.

If Toyota really wanted the Land Rover market they would’ve have brought the 70 to the UK with a compliment engine years ago, but like JLR they realise that the real money is in the city not on the farm. That’s my take on it anyway.[emoji848]

That's the power and towing capacity they've had for a while in the 150 model and previous versions had no more towing and less power. If you think they'll launch something 'better' just for the UK market, you're in for a long long wait.
They are not deleting the passenger version from the UK lineup either, so they hardly need to put anything "back in". This is just a budget commercial version for those that want a commercial vehicle of this type. I've no doubt that they will sell a small number. The Land Cruiser range has been in a sales decline in Western Europe for a few years now and I don't think that this particular model will arrest that decline. Its just a little niche that costs them nothing to try and fill, if there is such a niche these days with the rise of the four door pickup which can carry either people of cargo in the 'second row', plus carry stuff in the bed, which can be enclosed, plus tow 3.5 tons. All for less money than this Toyota is likely to be while being far better equipped.

 

[CornishTone]

If you think they'll launch something 'better' just for the UK market, you're in for a long long wait.
They are not deleting the passenger version from the UK lineup either, so they hardly need to put anything "back in".

I will not be waiting for anything, long or long long.

And I was being sarcastic about the seats... I wasn’t suggesting they were going to delete the seated version, merely that if the commercial version failed they’d continue to make the normal one. Like I said, it’s an opportunistic release, almost seems like an after thought. If it doesn’t work, they’ve lost nothing and will return to declining sales to caravan owners.