UK FOOD PRODUCTION?

[Roger Perry]

Perhaps not so much benefit to the consumer for a 1972 Ford Pinto or a 2018 Boeing 737max8?

My understanding is that the issue is not that there’s chlorinated water washing of the meat, but that it needs to be washed with chlorinated water to compensate for the poor hygiene in processing. UK abattoirs don’t need to wash chickens before packaging, so why do US ones need to?

I don't believe they do,................BUT, being as this America if someone gets a belly ache and reaches out to some litigation attorney it might be handy if the chicken packer can point to there sanitary program..............just saying.

 

[Hilly]

Perhaps not so much benefit to the consumer for a 1972 Ford Pinto or a 2018 Boeing 737max8?

My understanding is that the issue is not that there’s chlorinated water washing of the meat, but that it needs to be washed with chlorinated water to compensate for the poor hygiene in processing. UK abattoirs don’t need to wash chickens before packaging, so why do US ones need to?

What are abattoirs in Thailand like ?

 

[czechmate]

Going back to the original question that didn't mention chickens, farmers in the UK could easily produce far more food.

The trouble is at the moment people are not paying enough for it. There is no shortage in the shops and the green brigade are dictating margins around every field, rewilding, greening and wildlife areas.

I know our farm could easily produce another 1000 tonne of food every year if we could farm it for food production and not for the birds and the bees !!

Is it totally widespread?
My farming in the uk was maxed out and all the neighbors seemed to be pushing as hard as they could too. Maybe we were just a poor lot in leics/Northants?

Land appears much less hard worked here (mid France) but it’s not exactly highly productive dirt/climate here.

 

[Breakthru]

The concentration in mains water infinitesimal compared with recirculated disinfection water, which is at least as strong as dairy circulation cleaner. I'll ask again, would you eat chicken dipped in that?

The most infected meat in a supermarket fridge is chicken. If it is correct to sterilise a baby milk bottle with a form of bleach and told not to rinse it under the tap then what is the problem with sterilising chicken?

 

[Highland Mule]

What are abattoirs in Thailand like ?

No experience. I can’t even find if they use chlorine. I did find this though (note it’s ten years old.)

Thai chicken better than most British production, says RSPCA

Shoppers who care about animal welfare should shun standard British chicken and buy meat imported from thousands of miles away in Thailand, according to the RSPCA.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Breakthru]

No experience. I can’t even find if they use chlorine. I did find this though (note it’s ten years old.)

Thai chicken better than most British production, says RSPCA

Shoppers who care about animal welfare should shun standard British chicken and buy meat imported from thousands of miles away in Thailand, according to the RSPCA.

www.independent.co.uk

Interesting, a friend in the meat industry said they fed human faeces to their chickens and the bbq chicken you get is cooked on huge open fires in the jungle, flies and all.

 

[Highland Mule]

Interesting, a friend in the meat industry said they fed human faeces to their chickens and the bbq chicken you get is cooked on huge open fires in the jungle, flies and all.

In Cornwall? I knew they were savages but didn’t realise they were that bad!

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[Hilly]

No experience. I can’t even find if they use chlorine. I did find this though (note it’s ten years old.)

Thai chicken better than most British production, says RSPCA

Shoppers who care about animal welfare should shun standard British chicken and buy meat imported from thousands of miles away in Thailand, according to the RSPCA.

www.independent.co.uk

I hope that head line is right if we are eating it. Bit disappointing after being told on here repeatedly that we have the highest standards that makes it look like we don’t ?

 

[thesilentone]

Going back to the original question that didn't mention chickens, farmers in the UK could easily produce far more food.

The trouble is at the moment people are not paying enough for it. There is no shortage in the shops and the green brigade are dictating margins around every field, rewilding, greening and wildlife areas.

I know our farm could easily produce another 1000 tonne of food every year if we could farm it for food production and not for the birds and the bees !!

Interesting subject, destroyed until post 31 got it back on track, then the BS started again.

Please people, there are plenty of contentious posts on Facebook to get rid of you're belly ache, lets keep this forum kind of half reasonable.

A Country with a thriving economy is a bit like a Premier Footy Club (please no posts about over paid footy players) the more that come through the turnstiles, the more loot, the more revenue. The UK has a population of 67m+ that we know about, all needing fed and watered and requiring many other life requirements (at this point good to keep off the dole scroungers etc etc etc)

Our food store is based in what is out their (on the shelves), what is in the ground, what is produced daily and what is in storage/production.

We are always well stocked compared to other Countries and are up there with the top economies, but we are not self sufficient (allegedly).

We must trade, it is important for our balance of payment figures, however Covid has highlighted the vulnerability of reliance on others outside the UK.

We need some Political allies, as well as trade agreements, so we will always Import and Export, but regarding our future, their is little to fear as Lidl and Aldi will shake up the Supermarket sector, and change the dynamics.

Look forward with optimism.............

 

[kiwi pom]

We import food from countries that can produce it cheaper than us as they have larger economies of scale and lower standards, the rich will choose to buy British and the poor will take the risk with chlorinated chicken

Chicken and hormone beef from America, are always the examples given, even though the UK doesn't actually buy any yet as far as I know.

Rules change from country to country, maybe standards a little bit too but I'm not sure the UK is always at the top of the pile.

Every farmer says their produce is better than everyone else's.
You cant all be right.

 

[Cowabunga]

The most infected meat in a supermarket fridge is chicken. If it is correct to sterilise a baby milk bottle with a form of bleach and told not to rinse it under the tap then what is the problem with sterilising chicken?

Bottle, like milk pipeline is impervious and is rinsed clean. Not seen advice not to rinse after sterilising. Meat absorbs chemicals like bleach. It is not a container, it is the actual food.
That's the difference between washing salads and washing meat. The salad is rinsed and does not absorb any appreciable chemical.
Why, for instance, would the UK start bleaching our meat when it just doesn't need it because our slaughtering methods are basically cleaner than those that do?

 

[Breakthru]

Bottle, like milk pipeline is impervious and is rinsed clean. Not seen advice not to rinse after sterilising. Meat absorbs chemicals like bleach. It is not a container, it is the actual food.
That's the difference between washing salads and washing meat. The salad is rinsed and does not absorb any appreciable chemical.
Why, for instance, would the UK start bleaching our meat when it just doesn't need it because our slaughtering methods are basically cleaner than those that do?

Tap water is invariably contaminated so advice is not to rinse out the very weak hypochlorite solution.
I still stand by my comment about UK supermarket chicken. Press covered an extensive survey. Why do they call Ecoli hamburger disease? Because at bbq's the meat isn't cooked properly in the middle. Does that show that our slaughter standards are better than theirs? I don't think so. Everything I put on the bbq/smoker is precooked. I never eat burgers sausages or chicken with bone in at any body elses' bbq.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Do you all use rainwater in the kitchen to prepare food with, it seems odd to be frightened of both germs and chlorine at the same time.

I am glad of the chlorine at the swimming baths too, there is a sign on the wall saying "please don't pee in the pool" but do you trust "The Rules" that much?

 

[Purli R]

Still hurting over your bull didums . plonker

If you cant take it,dont give it.

 

[Lowland1]

Going back to the original question that didn't mention chickens, farmers in the UK could easily produce far more food.

The trouble is at the moment people are not paying enough for it. There is no shortage in the shops and the green brigade are dictating margins around every field, rewilding, greening and wildlife areas.

I know our farm could easily produce another 1000 tonne of food every year if we could farm it for food production and not for the birds and the bees !!

Would producing an extra 1000 tonnes of food give you more money than what you get for looking after the birds and the bees?

 

[Wooly]

Would producing an extra 1000 tonnes of food give you more money than what you get for looking after the birds and the bees?

Yep...........by a considerable amount.

 

[Lowland1]

Yep...........by a considerable amount.

So why aren’t you?

 

[Bootneck]

You can’t really compare rates of food poisoning between the US and UK - Full Fact

It’s hard to tell whether someone in the US or UK is more likely to get a foodborne disease.

fullfact.org

This article is pretty good at showing how food poisoning statistics in USA and EU are not really comparable as completely different recording criteria and methodology are used. In actual fact the rates are most likely pretty similar.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Pay the farmer 10 pence more for her chicken. Job done.

No, that would be too simple and could result in a profitable and sustainable system of production, which apparently nobody wants.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Perhaps not so much benefit to the consumer for a 1972 Ford Pinto or a 2018 Boeing 737max8?

My understanding is that the issue is not that there’s chlorinated water washing of the meat, but that it needs to be washed with chlorinated water to compensate for the poor hygiene in processing. UK abattoirs don’t need to wash chickens before packaging, so why do US ones need to?

That's the point