Ukraine

There's a lot of strongly worded statements from the West on it but ultimately there's no appetite to get involved. Indeed, there's no obligation to get involved since Ukraine is not in NATO and no way they'd be admitted in the midst of fighting a guerrilla border war. As @Muck Spreader has said, Putin is nibbling away at Ukraine under the guise of protecting Russian-speaking natives, many of whom have pro-Russian sympathies. It's a tactic employed by Germany in its annexation of Austria - stir up unrest, destabilize the governent, then move in your own troops to "restore order" or some such.

There's certainly a lot of interesting conjecture about Russian/Chinese cooperation. One school of thought is that Russia stirs up trouble to keep the US tied to Europe, leaving China free to do it's thing in the Pacific. The US Marine Corps is in the process of moving away from heavy armour and reorganising itself to go back to an "island hopping" stance as seen in the second world war, because they reckon the next conflict will be Chinese expansion in the Pacific. Russian troublemaking in Europe keeps the US Army tied down there and tied to heavy armour and fighting formations that are difficult to re-role to the Pacific.
 
If NATO is the problem then the solution is to act before Ukraine gets NATO membership.

Although TBH I doubt Russians will allow their fellow citizens to be annexed.
 

Exfarmer

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If NATO is the problem then the solution is to act before Ukraine gets NATO membership.

Although TBH I doubt Russians will allow their fellow citizens to be annexed.
Can you at least read up on the issue before spouting. This problem has been ongoing for years and this problem has a name, Vladimir Putin!
Every time his popularity starts to fall he copies the actions of all good dictators. Attack a third country, but first establish spurious reasons to pretend you have legitimacy.
He has been stirring problems in the Ukraine for years to try and reclaim the old Russian empire from a people who have very good reason to hate the Russians.
Russian policy in the Ukraine during the 1930’s has comparisons to the Irish potato famine, except Stalins policies were very deliberate in exterminating a huge number of peasants, 5,000,000 plus. He then carted most of the remainder to the Gulag, those that survived the German onslaught of course.
The West was incredibly stupid in not taking very strong action when he marched into the Crimea, but were fooled in just the same way Chamberlain was with promises of peace in our time.
Sadly I have a horrific feeling we are going to see Russian action very soon with quite a possibility of China attacking Taiwan at the same time
 
Can you at least read up on the issue before spouting. This problem has been ongoing for years and this problem has a name, Vladimir Putin!
Every time his popularity starts to fall he copies the actions of all good dictators. Attack a third country, but first establish spurious reasons to pretend you have legitimacy.
He has been stirring problems in the Ukraine for years to try and reclaim the old Russian empire from a people who have very good reason to hate the Russians.
Russian policy in the Ukraine during the 1930’s has comparisons to the Irish potato famine, except Stalins policies were very deliberate in exterminating a huge number of peasants, 5,000,000 plus. He then carted most of the remainder to the Gulag, those that survived the German onslaught of course.
The West was incredibly stupid in not taking very strong action when he marched into the Crimea, but were fooled in just the same way Chamberlain was with promises of peace in our time.
Sadly I have a horrific feeling we are going to see Russian action very soon with quite a possibility of China attacking Taiwan at the same time

My comment was based on the thought pattern I expect from Putin.

If you claim to have read up on the Ukraine conflict, why are you quoting just the EU propaganda ? Are you going to do the fighting against Russia ?

As far as I understand it the current population of Crimea has a significant number of Russians plus a Russian military base - just like Northern Ireland has a significant number of Protestants.

I don't expect Putin to abandon those Russians in the same manner as the UK not abandoning NI protestants. If I was Putin I would definately go into Crimea, but I am not.

Both are well deserved IMHO given the USA's schizophenic foreign/industrial/financial/investment policy.

I doubt very much any one of the world players will be concerned with what Stalin did or didn't do.
 

beardface

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Sadly I have a horrific feeling we are going to see Russian action very soon with quite a possibility of China attacking Taiwan at the same time
I agree. A Russia China union could easily fight a war on 2 fronts. Ukraine is a key asset to Russia in controlling the black sea and a back door into Europe. Taiwan is a strategic goal for China as a operational base in the Pacific. Best time to attack is when the world is more concerned about something else.
 

hoff135

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I agree. A Russia China union could easily fight a war on 2 fronts. Ukraine is a key asset to Russia in controlling the black sea and a back door into Europe. Taiwan is a strategic goal for China as a operational base in the Pacific. Best time to attack is when the world is more concerned about something else.
You cant gather in groups of more than 6 people from 2 households so if the russian army come here they shouldnt be a problem
 

BrianV

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Livestock Farmer
I have a feeling Putin is just following China’s lead in showing that as the West becomes more reliant on both Russia & China then it gives them the power to do what would be unthinkable a few years ago. What chance all these eco warriors who are destroying our own & EU‘S manufacturing whilst strengthening China & Russia volunteering to come to the aid of Ukraine or Taiwan when invaded, white feathers a plenty I’ll bet.
 

BrianV

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Livestock Farmer
Can you at least read up on the issue before spouting. This problem has been ongoing for years and this problem has a name, Vladimir Putin!
Every time his popularity starts to fall he copies the actions of all good dictators. Attack a third country, but first establish spurious reasons to pretend you have legitimacy.
He has been stirring problems in the Ukraine for years to try and reclaim the old Russian empire from a people who have very good reason to hate the Russians.
Russian policy in the Ukraine during the 1930’s has comparisons to the Irish potato famine, except Stalins policies were very deliberate in exterminating a huge number of peasants, 5,000,000 plus. He then carted most of the remainder to the Gulag, those that survived the German onslaught of course.
The West was incredibly stupid in not taking very strong action when he marched into the Crimea, but were fooled in just the same way Chamberlain was with promises of peace in our time.
Sadly I have a horrific feeling we are going to see Russian action very soon with quite a possibility of China attacking Taiwan at the same time
The West namely NATO were very stupid to quickly see Ukraine as an extension of their sphere of influence thus provoking Russia to act, you think if Russia were to put missiles on the Channel Islands it wouldn’t bring a reaction from the West.
 

Exfarmer

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The West has deliberately left Ukraine out of NATO as they knew very well that Russia would not like such action in its soft underbelly.
The Russians retook Crimea near ten years ago but this seems to have escaped some peoples notice. There was no populist desire in Crimea except from the few remaining Russians who had been planted by Stalin in the late 40’s after he deported the local population mainly Tartars, on mass to the Gulags ( concentration/ forced labour camps to the uninitiated ).
When the Ukraine was given its independence in the 1990’s it had a massive military arsenal and the bulk of the Soviet nuclear forces and the Russian federation could never have contemplated fighting a battle with them , but they have run down these stocks and not updated meaning they are relatively weak to the Russia today wghich is still spending very heavily on its military.
These spending patterns are very typical of democracies and dictatorships and is reflected across the world. In democracies people demand social justice , health and welfare.
People in dictatorships would like just the same so dictators use a combination of force to suppress them and jingoistic military adventures to persaude them that now is not the time for reform.
In the meantime the leaders steal the treasury for their own hedonistic lifestyles
 

Lowland1

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Well the Chinese and the Russians must look at the West and be laughing their heads off. The reaction over Covid shows the abject fear of Governments and the population to death shows that they will have no stomach for confrontation. Putin could probably walk into the Ukraine tomorrow and NATO’s response will be a strongly worded letter to the Times.
 

Exfarmer

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Well the Chinese and the Russians must look at the West and be laughing their heads off. The reaction over Covid shows the abject fear of Governments and the population to death shows that they will have no stomach for confrontation. Putin could probably walk into the Ukraine tomorrow and NATO’s response will be a strongly worded letter to the Times.
I am afraid you are right. Then he will demand the return of the Baltic states
 

pellow

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Of course what we should do is up for debate and shouldn’t have done, but I’ll tell you a fact from living in Ukraine on and off for 5 years up to the invasion of Crimea.

When Russia invaded Eastern Ukraine nearly all of the people who fled the fighting fled into Ukraine not into Russia, some pensioners went to Russia because the pension is about $3 a week more. The idea that the people of Eastern Ukraine are Russian is wrong, they speak Russian more than Ukrainian but they are notRussian
 

BrianV

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Livestock Farmer
Well the Chinese and the Russians must look at the West and be laughing their heads off. The reaction over Covid shows the abject fear of Governments and the population to death shows that they will have no stomach for confrontation. Putin could probably walk into the Ukraine tomorrow and NATO’s response will be a strongly worded letter to the Times.
With Germany & many others now reliant on Russia for oil & gas does anyone really believe a finger would be lifted if Russia invades Ukraine. Poxy enviro fanatics are making the west ever more dependent on these crackpot countries & they damm well know it !!
 

oil barron

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The West has deliberately left Ukraine out of NATO as they knew very well that Russia would not like such action in its soft underbelly.
The Russians retook Crimea near ten years ago but this seems to have escaped some peoples notice. There was no populist desire in Crimea except from the few remaining Russians who had been planted by Stalin in the late 40’s after he deported the local population mainly Tartars, on mass to the Gulags ( concentration/ forced labour camps to the uninitiated ).
When the Ukraine was given its independence in the 1990’s it had a massive military arsenal and the bulk of the Soviet nuclear forces and the Russian federation could never have contemplated fighting a battle with them , but they have run down these stocks and not updated meaning they are relatively weak to the Russia today wghich is still spending very heavily on its military.
These spending patterns are very typical of democracies and dictatorships and is reflected across the world. In democracies people demand social justice , health and welfare.
People in dictatorships would like just the same so dictators use a combination of force to suppress them and jingoistic military adventures to persaude them that now is not the time for reform.
In the meantime the leaders steal the treasury for their own hedonistic lifestyles
The Germans trying to get a trade agreement between the Ukraine and the EU was the trigger. They just can’t help themselves but try to expand east.
 

Claas joins the autonomous tractor club

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Written by Justin Roberts

Claas has taken a minority shareholding in the Dutch autonomous tractor startup company, AgXeed B.V.

The new company has developed a tractor designed to be autonomous from the ground up, rather than try to adapt existing machines, or create smaller robots dedicated to a limited range of tasks.

AgXeed’s pilot machine is a diesel hybrid powered unit on tracks which uses a suite of software which, the company claims, is easily scalable.

Like many small technology start-ups seeking to gain a foothold in the machinery market, the company also points to the product as being part of a larger system rather than just another way of performing standard tasks

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