Jeff taking on the heavenly host? My money's on St Michael in a scrap
Using high seed rates to make no-till work on heavier soil?
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Feldspar
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I'm still sad I missed the Jeff vs. Tony Reynolds debate last year.
Louis Mc
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Just bale some straw and see how it goes
is that available to download anywhere...??
shakerator
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Doubt you'd get much yield loss with osr and beans !
I agree on BG seen it where combine stopped etc
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I've increased the seed rate in notilled wheat from 130kg/ha to 170, last week of Sept. Not because of poorer plant populations, but due to poorer tillering I also go earlier with the first N for the same reason.
I use lower seed rates for WOSR than recommended (3.5Kg/ha on conventionals rather than 5) because the plant populations end up too high.
With notill I get better germination rates due to better seed to soil contact than when we were planting into clods, often too dry.
It's on the heaviest land that we see the most benefit from notill in this respect.
I use lower seed rates for WOSR than recommended (3.5Kg/ha on conventionals rather than 5) because the plant populations end up too high.
With notill I get better germination rates due to better seed to soil contact than when we were planting into clods, often too dry.
It's on the heaviest land that we see the most benefit from notill in this respect.
It wasn't really a debate, just that Jeff was describing how he terra-starred a field 8 times to get rid of the blackgrass before drilling. Tony merely rolled his eyes a bit and said he thought he'd been booked to speak at a no-till conference. That was it
I'm a bit saddened that everyone on here is talking kg/ha and not seeds/m2. It's not at all helpful to say 170kg/ha, I'd like to learn more, but unless you all speak of SEED rate not weight/ha nobody learns from each other. Especially important with OSR when the TSW can be anywhere between 4-8 in the same year, meaning the same kg/ha can be nearly double the seed rate. Sorry for the rant, but it's important in my opinion
SilliamWhale
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I used to think that was important for corn but no longer think it is such a big deal.
Corn? . It means everything when you are trying to compare seed rates with one another! Is it just that you are all farm saving seed and therefore don't know the tsw?
SilliamWhale
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Yes. I just dont think you can tell the ideal seed rate until later.in the season. So i stick with cwt and a half per acre on most.cereal crops. 2 cwt for spring wheat
That's easy. Because they still don't drill late. You just have to drive the A14 past Huntingdon to see all the crops sprayed off the previous year all drilled up by mid oct!
We have an arable business group over here working within the YEN project. General consensus is that seed rates must go up. The really big yields come from large biomass crops and that means starting with enough in the 1st place.
When I started VRA seed with Soyl 4 years ago we considerably upped rates on average due to the % establishment they were reckoning for my soil zones. This made me go out and count. And they were right. If anything I still need to go up more to reach target. No-till is generally poorer establishment too, but in a dry autumn like 2016 any ploughed land was very poor establishment due to no rain and dry seed beds.
My main concerns for no till are slugs and residues. I'm pleased with my 2nd wheat this year, but it may just be I got away with it. Slugs after OSR and cover crops is my biggest hurdle to overcome. Increased seed rates will be part of this. But it's costly when I'm buying in the seed.
Do you farm saved seed and undressed people worry about bunt? Should it be a concern?
When I started VRA seed with Soyl 4 years ago we considerably upped rates on average due to the % establishment they were reckoning for my soil zones. This made me go out and count. And they were right. If anything I still need to go up more to reach target. No-till is generally poorer establishment too, but in a dry autumn like 2016 any ploughed land was very poor establishment due to no rain and dry seed beds.
My main concerns for no till are slugs and residues. I'm pleased with my 2nd wheat this year, but it may just be I got away with it. Slugs after OSR and cover crops is my biggest hurdle to overcome. Increased seed rates will be part of this. But it's costly when I'm buying in the seed.
Do you farm saved seed and undressed people worry about bunt? Should it be a concern?
SilliamWhale
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My opinion on bunt is make sure the parent seed is treated if sowing untreated seed. But i often treat fss and buy.in seed most years.
Feldspar
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Our agronomist said test the seed, but at least make sure you treat HSS every other year.
Louis Mc
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I just set the drill for about 12 stone for every thing except rape
Stone??!! Do your yields get measured in rods and bushels Louis?
Why would you treat if a test came back ok ? Defies any kind of logic and a great example of ignoring IPM, is this not how products ultimately end up loosing approval
Feldspar
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Two reasons. Firstly, sampling error -- i.e. you're not necessarily getting a representative sample of what you are going to use. Secondly, the results we're getting are never black or white. You're nearly always choosing not to put a dressing on with some level of disease. It's a uncertain judgement over how much disease is too much.
why bother wasting money on a test then ? JDI
might as well sack your agronomist and apply everything you can get just in case he misses a problem
Is it not just a massive risk then? If you are only sampling a kg for instance. If you get bunt everything has to go to landfill doesn't it? What exactly are the risks?