Utilities and H and S

[Boomerang]

Had a chat with 3 guys surveying an anglia water repair job.
Decent blokes , but hell the rubbish they have to deal with to do a simple job is ridiculous.
Air valve pissing water out .
An engineer
Lifting manager
Another manager of some sort.
These 3 were assessing job.
I said easy teleporter man basket , nope they would have to do a soil structure analysis survey to endure it was safe to put teleporter in field, I said how do you think drainage board 360 copes. It would also need director level approval.
Their idea is to stand a fooking great crane in layby to lift Man cage 20m , it's overkill but safe. Method statement s , h and s , rules bureaucracy abounds.
I said how long a job if you were able to just roll sleeves up and JFDI ,he replied 3 hours max.
This is going to take hours in paperwork alone.
They dare not just take a practical safe common sense approach ,every conceivable risk has to be assessed documented and accounted for, they were saying they often have to argue with H and S as their way is safer than what H and S request.

 

[Welderloon]

The UK as a country is all about how not to do a job rather than about how to do a job now unfortunately.
This approach keeps vast amounts of oxygen thievery gainfully employed just look at the public sector, health service, E.A, etc, layers & layers of degree educated people doing absolutely nothing but still getting paid, out of sight, out of mind.
Not a practical thought between them, most couldn't even change a punctured wheel never mind repair one.
Common sense is not so common anymore.
Imagine what it will be like in another 20 years.

 

[spark plug]

Don’t forget, they will have to assess sortable positioning of the porta bog.

 

[Jonp]

Thing is, nobody gets paid to get injured or killed at work. Seen plenty of that due to unsafe systems of work. Also come across alot of H&S rules that are too restrictive for reasonable productivity.
Most accidents are preventable and all accidents have a cost attached to them, whether personal or to a business.

 

[jonnieboy]

Ask what the industry statistics are compared to agriculture
So who is lacking?

 

[Kidds]

Ask what the industry statistics are compared to agriculture
So who is lacking?

To be fair the OP did say use a man basket rather than just a bucket.

 

[Roger Perry]

"Person basket" I think you meant to write

 

[PSQ]

"Person basket" I think you meant to write

The correct term is Persons basket, so as not to offend any schizophrenics.















/s

 

[suffolksmallholder]

Then there is the sad and heart wrenching story of a young university graduate killed by a 360 on a construction site just last week.

Firm admits offence over worker killed by excavator in Brampton - BBC News

No supervision was provided for James Rourke, 22, who was killed at a building site, inquest hears.

www.bbc.co.uk

SS

 

[Granite Farmer]

IMO they have probably calculated that that carry on is cheaper that having someone seriously injured or killed.

 

[Granite Farmer]

"Person basket" I think you meant to write

The correct term is Persons basket, so as not to offend any schizophrenics.















/s

Your both wrong. It is actually a Per-they basket. Per'son' basic or man basket is considered offensive to people who don't identify as any particular gender.

 

[stroller]

Had a chat with 3 guys surveying an anglia water repair job.
Decent blokes , but hell the rubbish they have to deal with to do a simple job is ridiculous.
Air valve pissing water out .
An engineer
Lifting manager
Another manager of some sort.
These 3 were assessing job.
I said easy teleporter man basket , nope they would have to do a soil structure analysis survey to endure it was safe to put teleporter in field, I said how do you think drainage board 360 copes. It would also need director level approval.
Their idea is to stand a fooking great crane in layby to lift Man cage 20m , it's overkill but safe. Method statement s , h and s , rules bureaucracy abounds.
I said how long a job if you were able to just roll sleeves up and JFDI ,he replied 3 hours max.
This is going to take hours in paperwork alone.
They dare not just take a practical safe common sense approach ,every conceivable risk has to be assessed documented and accounted for, they were saying they often have to argue with H and S as their way is safer than what H and S request.

and they wonder why productivity is falling in this country.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Had a chat with 3 guys surveying an anglia water repair job.
Decent blokes , but hell the rubbish they have to deal with to do a simple job is ridiculous.
Air valve pissing water out .
An engineer
Lifting manager
Another manager of some sort.
These 3 were assessing job.
I said easy teleporter man basket , nope they would have to do a soil structure analysis survey to endure it was safe to put teleporter in field, I said how do you think drainage board 360 copes. It would also need director level approval.
Their idea is to stand a fooking great crane in layby to lift Man cage 20m , it's overkill but safe. Method statement s , h and s , rules bureaucracy abounds.
I said how long a job if you were able to just roll sleeves up and JFDI ,he replied 3 hours max.
This is going to take hours in paperwork alone.
They dare not just take a practical safe common sense approach ,every conceivable risk has to be assessed documented and accounted for, they were saying they often have to argue with H and S as their way is safer than what H and S request.

and they all get paid a decent good wage which keeps pace with cost of living yet we have to accept wayleave payments to their infrastructure that aren't index linked

 

[kiwi pom]

Had a chat with 3 guys surveying an anglia water repair job.
Decent blokes , but hell the rubbish they have to deal with to do a simple job is ridiculous.
Air valve pissing water out .
An engineer
Lifting manager
Another manager of some sort.
These 3 were assessing job.
I said easy teleporter man basket , nope they would have to do a soil structure analysis survey to endure it was safe to put teleporter in field, I said how do you think drainage board 360 copes. It would also need director level approval.
Their idea is to stand a fooking great crane in layby to lift Man cage 20m , it's overkill but safe. Method statement s , h and s , rules bureaucracy abounds.
I said how long a job if you were able to just roll sleeves up and JFDI ,he replied 3 hours max.
This is going to take hours in paperwork alone.
They dare not just take a practical safe common sense approach ,every conceivable risk has to be assessed documented and accounted for, they were saying they often have to argue with H and S as their way is safer than what H and S request.

Companies have to take all practicable steps, it's probably fair to say individual companies and their H&S departments have differing views on how far they need to go. Another company could look at the job you describe completely differently and still do it within H&S requirements.

I wouldn't imagine it's a legal requirement to get director level approval for individual tasks, more the way that company does it?

Overzealous H&S departments can cost the companies they work for a fortune, just because the individuals involved don't understand what they are doing and are just covering their own arse by taking things to extremes.
In my experience they then often overlook glaringly obvious faults.

 

[Bury the Trash]

A lot of people get used to the nanny nursing mind you, then its just an exscuse...and to get paid for doing nothing, or achieving a lot less per man than what we are used to in a day.
coincidentally ive been out today trimming back a mature Norwegian Maple from private utility wires, working on my own ,ladder to start then climb and i'm no young man any longer
and no to don't take silly chances either.

JFDI no fear . ......

 

[Boomerang]

and they all get paid a decent good wage which keeps pace with cost of living yet we have to accept wayleave payments to their infrastructure that aren't index linked

Yup one in a bmw other in a tesla not cheap cars .

 

[kiwi pom]

A lot of people get used to the nanny nursing mind you, then its just an exscuse...and to get paid for doing nothing, or achieving a lot less per man than what we are used to in a day.
coincidentally ive been out today trimming back a mature Norwegian Maple from private utility wires, working on my own ,ladder to start then climb and i'm no young man any longer
and no to don't take silly chances either.

JFDI no fear . ......

No problems doing that yourself, but would you do it with staff members?

There's a balance between JFDI and complete overkill, unfortunately a lot of companies have gone overkill, there are still some that don't do near enough though.

 

[Bury the Trash]

No problems doing that yourself, but would you do it with staff members?

There's a balance between JFDI and complete overkill, unfortunately a lot of companies have gone overkill, there are still some that don't do near enough though.

No i will do the difficult stuff while i'm able even though it scares me often but maybe that's a good thing , being a bit scared, but cant allow it to stop you .
I would not want others just paid to be stood looking at me either , if they were on with the clearing up etc, then fine.

 

[Blank]

Had a chat with 3 guys surveying an anglia water repair job.
Decent blokes , but hell the rubbish they have to deal with to do a simple job is ridiculous.
Air valve pissing water out .
An engineer
Lifting manager
Another manager of some sort.
These 3 were assessing job.
I said easy teleporter man basket , nope they would have to do a soil structure analysis survey to endure it was safe to put teleporter in field, I said how do you think drainage board 360 copes. It would also need director level approval.
Their idea is to stand a fooking great crane in layby to lift Man cage 20m , it's overkill but safe. Method statement s , h and s , rules bureaucracy abounds.
I said how long a job if you were able to just roll sleeves up and JFDI ,he replied 3 hours max.
This is going to take hours in paperwork alone.
They dare not just take a practical safe common sense approach ,every conceivable risk has to be assessed documented and accounted for, they were saying they often have to argue with H and S as their way is safer than what H and S request.

Easy to blame 'H&S'.

1st company I worked for (and it was a multi national) lost a few personal injury claims for knife cuts (using stanley knives to cut straps). MD LOST HIS S**T and told all of us Production Managers we would be held personally accountable if anyone cut themselves on our sites. Same thing happened with falls from ladders etc.

Short story was that insurance premiums affected quarterly earnings, and that affected his bonus (this has been repeated across a lot of my employers) therefore accidents were FORBIDDEN and accidents were used to batter H&S and management. Senior Management then hid unpopular decisions behind H&S.

Done a bit of work in claims defence as well and to win requires paperwork unfortunately. Lots of paperwork and procedures. Place I was asked to help was handing out wheelbarrows of cash because the insurers refused to fight the cases due to a lack of defence material.

Everything becomes CYA and why I got out of operations.