Vegan animal sanctuary

[Castle Farm]

I have seen the result of full time farmers and the disgusting way they treat their livestock. Lets see how it goes before ripping the idea apart.

 

[Dry Rot]

Fairly sure that humans require some amino acids from meat too - can’t remember which one but used to know a guy who travelled the world for the WHO investigating “vegan” tribes in remote places to understand where they were getting it from - rat droppings in Tibetan rice stores was one source.

I think I'll pass on the rats' droppings!

As kids, we were always keen to get the lumps in brown sugar (which arrived loose in brown paper bags). The adults used to tease us that they were rats' droppings that just got a coating of sugar!

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Animal enrichment sounds like beastiality to me!

i was thinking salt and pepper

Fairly sure that humans require some amino acids from meat too - can’t remember which one but used to know a guy who travelled the world for the WHO investigating “vegan” tribes in remote places to understand where they were getting it from - rat droppings in Tibetan rice stores was one source.

explorers are yet to see cave wall carvings of salad and vegetables but plenty of spears and animals and a fire!

 

[SteveHants]

Fairly sure that humans require some amino acids from meat too - can’t remember which one but used to know a guy who travelled the world for the WHO investigating “vegan” tribes in remote places to understand where they were getting it from - rat droppings in Tibetan rice stores was one source.

It's news to me that thre are "vegan" tribes - I thought "vegetarian" was about as close as you got in primitive societies.
I wouldn't be surprised if a whole lot more insect/shellfish eating than we know about isn't going on.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

There was a piece in the American "Animal Cops" TV series about a vegetarian cat hoarder. She had been feeding her numerous cats on a meat free diet (mostly rice) and the cats were all emaciated, diseased, or already dead.She did not realise that cats are carnivorous and unlike dogs and humans require essential amino acids only found in meat and fish. I believe the cats were re-homed. Learn something new every day!

As a farmer, I believe my job is to work with nature to efficiently produced desired outcomes.
Anyones' dietary preferences are their own business but I do take offence when they consider themselves to be in anyway superior or believe that they able to bend the laws of nature.

Interesting research that I doubt vegans will be happy with;

"Feeding pet cats meaty food and playing with them to replicate hunting can help to stop them from killing wildlife, a new study has found.
The findings, published in the journal Current Biology, found that cats given grain-free food deposited a third fewer dead mice and birds on doorsteps, while killing was cut by a quarter with cats who were played with for just five or ten minutes with a toy mouse.


100 million animals killed per year


There have been growing concerns over the amount of wildlife being killed by pet cats, with an estimated 100 million animals killed by the population of 7.5 million cats per year in the UK.
This death toll is even higher in larger countries, with wildlife killings by cats in the billions in the US.


Two thirds of the killings in the UK are made up by mice, rats and rabbits, while a quarter are birds, including blackbirds and sparrows. The rest are made up of frogs and lizards.
The researchers, from The University of Exeter, wanted to understand the root cause behind why cats who are already well-fed go out hunting, and studied the behaviour of more than 300 cats before and after new food and/or playing was introduced.



They found that bells on collars - a common solution to wildlife-killing - made no difference to the number of animals killed by cats.
Another measure tried was puzzle balls filled with food that releases as the cats batted the balls around. This, however, increased hunting by a third, with scientists saying these cats may simply have been hungry.
Feed cats premium food
One of the most efficient measures was feeding the cats premium food in which all the proteins came from meat, with both mammal and bird hunting reduced.


Scientists said this may be because of the particular amino acids found in meat which cats specifically need in their diet.
Playing was a relatively effective measure, but only reduced the number of mammal kills and not the number of bird kills.
Researchers say this could be because the playing often took place in the evening, closer to the time when cats hunt mice and rats rather than birds, which cats often hunt in the morning.
Brightly coloured collars were also found to cut bird kills by 42 per cent but had no effect on mammal kills, again possibly due to mammal hunts taking place at night in the dark.


Prof Robbie McDonald of the University of Exeter said the result were promising for wildlife and for cat owners and shows that using entirely non-invasive, non-restrictive methods, can change a cat's behaviour."

 

[SteveHants]

As a farmer, I believe my job is to work with nature to efficiently produced desired outcomes.
Anyones' dietary preferences are their own business but I do take offence when they consider themselves to be in anyway superior or believe that they able to bend the laws of nature.

Interesting research that I doubt vegans will be happy with;

"Feeding pet cats meaty food and playing with them to replicate hunting can help to stop them from killing wildlife, a new study has found.
The findings, published in the journal Current Biology, found that cats given grain-free food deposited a third fewer dead mice and birds on doorsteps, while killing was cut by a quarter with cats who were played with for just five or ten minutes with a toy mouse.


100 million animals killed per year


There have been growing concerns over the amount of wildlife being killed by pet cats, with an estimated 100 million animals killed by the population of 7.5 million cats per year in the UK.
This death toll is even higher in larger countries, with wildlife killings by cats in the billions in the US.


Two thirds of the killings in the UK are made up by mice, rats and rabbits, while a quarter are birds, including blackbirds and sparrows. The rest are made up of frogs and lizards.
The researchers, from The University of Exeter, wanted to understand the root cause behind why cats who are already well-fed go out hunting, and studied the behaviour of more than 300 cats before and after new food and/or playing was introduced.



They found that bells on collars - a common solution to wildlife-killing - made no difference to the number of animals killed by cats.
Another measure tried was puzzle balls filled with food that releases as the cats batted the balls around. This, however, increased hunting by a third, with scientists saying these cats may simply have been hungry.
Feed cats premium food
One of the most efficient measures was feeding the cats premium food in which all the proteins came from meat, with both mammal and bird hunting reduced.


Scientists said this may be because of the particular amino acids found in meat which cats specifically need in their diet.
Playing was a relatively effective measure, but only reduced the number of mammal kills and not the number of bird kills.
Researchers say this could be because the playing often took place in the evening, closer to the time when cats hunt mice and rats rather than birds, which cats often hunt in the morning.
Brightly coloured collars were also found to cut bird kills by 42 per cent but had no effect on mammal kills, again possibly due to mammal hunts taking place at night in the dark.


Prof Robbie McDonald of the University of Exeter said the result were promising for wildlife and for cat owners and shows that using entirely non-invasive, non-restrictive methods, can change a cat's behaviour."

Just looked up and found the original article - will be interesting to share that one at work, cheers.

 

[TheTallGuy]

As a farmer, I believe my job is to work with nature to efficiently produced desired outcomes.
Anyones' dietary preferences are their own business but I do take offence when they consider themselves to be in anyway superior or believe that they able to bend the laws of nature.

Interesting research that I doubt vegans will be happy with;

"Feeding pet cats meaty food and playing with them to replicate hunting can help to stop them from killing wildlife, a new study has found.
The findings, published in the journal Current Biology, found that cats given grain-free food deposited a third fewer dead mice and birds on doorsteps, while killing was cut by a quarter with cats who were played with for just five or ten minutes with a toy mouse.


100 million animals killed per year


There have been growing concerns over the amount of wildlife being killed by pet cats, with an estimated 100 million animals killed by the population of 7.5 million cats per year in the UK.
This death toll is even higher in larger countries, with wildlife killings by cats in the billions in the US.


Two thirds of the killings in the UK are made up by mice, rats and rabbits, while a quarter are birds, including blackbirds and sparrows. The rest are made up of frogs and lizards.
The researchers, from The University of Exeter, wanted to understand the root cause behind why cats who are already well-fed go out hunting, and studied the behaviour of more than 300 cats before and after new food and/or playing was introduced.



They found that bells on collars - a common solution to wildlife-killing - made no difference to the number of animals killed by cats.
Another measure tried was puzzle balls filled with food that releases as the cats batted the balls around. This, however, increased hunting by a third, with scientists saying these cats may simply have been hungry.
Feed cats premium food
One of the most efficient measures was feeding the cats premium food in which all the proteins came from meat, with both mammal and bird hunting reduced.


Scientists said this may be because of the particular amino acids found in meat which cats specifically need in their diet.
Playing was a relatively effective measure, but only reduced the number of mammal kills and not the number of bird kills.
Researchers say this could be because the playing often took place in the evening, closer to the time when cats hunt mice and rats rather than birds, which cats often hunt in the morning.
Brightly coloured collars were also found to cut bird kills by 42 per cent but had no effect on mammal kills, again possibly due to mammal hunts taking place at night in the dark.


Prof Robbie McDonald of the University of Exeter said the result were promising for wildlife and for cat owners and shows that using entirely non-invasive, non-restrictive methods, can change a cat's behaviour."

Someone should have told our last cat... she only ever had premium meat food & got lots of playtime, but was the scourge of the local rodent population. Bird hunting tended to be early evening, although she was never particularly good at that anyway.

 

[curlietailz]

 

[curlietailz]

They have a good website
A few sheep, goats, pigs, geese?, chickens etc ( and maybe calves...can remember)

and an Amazon wish list. If you want to buy a bag of cat litter or animal feed you click the link... pay... and Amazon deliver to the Sanctuary
That’s a clever idea !!!

Worth keeping an eye on how they “grow” their business I think.

the Texel in the picture was a quad lamb that the farmer gave them and it’s been reared on the “farm” ever since

 

[Highland Mule]

the Texel in the picture was a quad lamb that the farmer gave them and it’s been reared on the “farm” ever since

Looks like the farmer 'forgot' to tag it before passing on too - so we as an industry are not blameless either . Come on folks - we can be better than that.

 

[Jerry]

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ear tags?

 

[Bootneck]

Fairly sure that humans require some amino acids from meat too - can’t remember which one but used to know a guy who travelled the world for the WHO investigating “vegan” tribes in remote places to understand where they were getting it from - rat droppings in Tibetan rice stores was one source.

I can assure you that there are no vegan tribes in Tibet, it is a cold mountainous place, the diet is based on meat and milk processed into butter and cheese. Some tibetan monks don't eat meat but they do eat dairy products. I don't think there is a single vegan tribe in the whole world. Possibly you could count the high cast Jain monks in india, but they rely on the Labour of others who are not vegan to produce their food.

 

[Highland Mule]

I can assure you that there are no vegan tribes in Tibet, it is a cold mountainous place, the diet is based on meat and milk processed into butter and cheese. Some tibetan monks don't eat meat but they do eat dairy products. I don't think there is a single vegan tribe in the whole world. Possibly you could count the high cast Jain monks in india, but they rely on the Labour of others who are not vegan to produce their food.

It was some 30 years ago I heard the story so I may be wrong with the geography, and perhaps it was the Jain or some other community he visited, but I distinctly remember being told that it was rat droppings in the rice store that gave them the trace quantities of some vital substance.

 

[curlietailz]

If an animal ( say a sheep) is a pet or companion animal which will never be put into the food chain ...... does it need an ear tag ??

same for a pig ?????

 

[Highland Mule]

If an animal ( say a sheep) is a pet or companion animal which will never be put into the food chain ...... does it need an ear tag ??

same for a pig ?????

Sheep and goats are yes for Scotland, unless born before some date in 2009. No exceptions.

I have no idea what the pig rules are.

 

[Lincs Lass]

What is the animal to acre ratio ,,10acre isnt going to stand many or for long ,,when its gets paddled up and looks the som,,the vet will be on full time call out for foot rot and gawd only knows what else

 

[Muddyroads]

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That’s definitely going to need skinning alive. Sorry, I meant shearing!

 

[high plains drifter]

see there pals at horse and farm animal sanctuary are losing three of their cattle to tb. Getting closer to reality

 

[TripleSix]

But if you get it right it's big business. See Hillside for an example.

And now everyone wants in on the act.

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Why is it ok for them to transport calves in the back of a landrover but anyone else doing it gets the death penalty in trial via Facebook?

 

[high plains drifter]

Why is it ok for them to transport calves in the back of a landrover but anyone else doing it gets the death penalty in trial via Facebook?

I know, they got the calves from high tb risk Staffordshire and brought them to tb free Scotland as well. Be popular with the neighbours if something happens!