Vegan trend - all bad ? or maybe there are positives ?
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Wuffler
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Call me picky Clive but I'd rather not enter the mindset of a bunch of zealots who would rather see my farm burn to the ground (with me in it if that recent document is to believed!) The same people who see me neither as a primary producer of good wholesome food but as some cruel, murdering barsteward, hell bent on destroying the planet for profit!
Ok, I may be generalising here, apart from the 'barsteward' bit...obvs!
Good luck and be prepared for a flaming...Tofu style no doubt!
Ok, I may be generalising here, apart from the 'barsteward' bit...obvs!
Good luck and be prepared for a flaming...Tofu style no doubt!
No.
But very hard to reason with minority Vegan fanatics (eg Joey Carbstrong, long may he be barred from the UK).
How would that work? @Guy Smith rings up Susanna Reid and says "Hi sexy, I'd like to be on your show tomorrow morning to tell everyone what a bunch of numpties these vegans are... Not going to happen.
Or maybe Minette is invites by Piers Morgan. Credibility is zero to start with for sharing a studio with him, they put her up against a vegaterrorist who runs rings around her with sound bites. Also you've just lent a load of airtime and credibility to someone who probably needs help with their mental health. They then cut the footage and use it as propaganda.
Yep, let's do that.
The NFU has, quite rightly, a well resourced communications team. Is it not a key part of their remit to promote UK agriculture, including the benefits of mixed farming ie livestock, to the genral public ? They are more than capable to doing this without falling into the traps as described above, it's their job.
And they do it all the time but they don't control what makes it onto the telly. It isn't the most riveting news either, farmers are nice people...who wants to watch that?
Princess Pooper
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There's actually quite a lot of stuff from NFU and AHDB being tweeted at present eg iron and vitamin levels in red meat, carbon footprints, nutrient content of milk etc.
It's no more or less riveting than the go vegan side of the argument, and they are getting themselves on the telly/radio on a daily basis.
Fine, but who looks at tweets from the NFU and AHDB ? I work with the non-farming public on a daily basis, and I can say with absolute certainty that the vegan message is having an effect on eating habits, and is doing so because people are being presented with the 'meat is killing the planet' message not as an opinion but as a statement of fact.
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Havnt read the whole thread , but hats off to Greggs , how would they have got a vegan through their door before , now there will be temptation for all but the strongest , vegan today , bacon roll or cream cake by easter maybe !
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At the end of the month lets see how the fatstock prices look compared to the start. Lamb looks promising and hopefully beef is at the bottom now so if they are up by then we can make a big noise about prices being driven by demand so obviously all this hype has done absolutely nothing.
Princess Pooper
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But it's all about retweeting. I've got (according to their profiles) vegetarians and plenty of wildlife bods and urban followers on twitter, so they see what I retweet. There is also a lot of criticism online of the 'fact not opinion' aspect that you mentioned, including direct to the messengers - BBC, Guardian etc.
I was amused to see Greggs spokesman saying today that the vegan roll had been a great seller but they had also seen an uplift in sausage rolls. Where people wanted to try a vegan roll and they had sold out, many consumers bought a sausage roll instead.
Daniel
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@agrichatuk are doing a discussion about veganism on Twitter right now.
I’m having an enjoyable time trolling in the replies
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I’m having an enjoyable time trolling in the replies
@danpbrownAnnoys me that Vegans are such idealistic hypocrites. If vegans principles are to save the planet,that must mean they do not drive cars, fly in planes, use electricity etc etc, a complete load of ballocks as I expect they all do use the aforementioned.
I assume that vegans also believe that the food they eat will be grown organically.
Am I missing something as in reaIity I can not see how veaganism idealogy is sustainable.????
I assume that vegans also believe that the food they eat will be grown organically.
Am I missing something as in reaIity I can not see how veaganism idealogy is sustainable.????
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TheTallGuy
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Veganism is specifically about saving the planet - the modern form of it actually started as an extension of vegetarianism and a desire to minimise the exploitation of animals. The supposed environmental benefits are just a side issue that some people have decided to focus on as being a good reason to get involved especially since the environment is a hot issue at the moment.Annoys me that Vegans are such idealistic hypocrites. If vegans principles are to save the planet,that must mean they do not drive cars, fly in planes, use electricity etc etc, a complete load of ballocks as I expect they all do use the aforementioned.
I assume that vegans also believe that the food they eat will be grown organically.
Am I missing something as in reaIity I can not see how veaganism idealogy is sustainable.????
Shep
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I think it has less to do with saving the planet or animal welfare and more to do with change. The millennial generation have been brain washed that everything must change and everything that has gone on before was wrong, their ancestors and elders have ruined the planet and them being an educated, enlightend, generation who have no experience but know better are going to push change for changes sake. Look at sexism, racism, environmentalism and now veganism not to mention all the other isms.
It's trendy to try and bring down the system that has actually enabled them to be as priveliged as they are, yet they think they are oppressed.
It is entirely possible that another reason for trying to destroy farming is that it is a mostly white and male profession, it is also no coincidence that these Vegans are mostly female probably feminists who think we are white supremacists.
They have gone apaplectic since brexit and Trump
How many speeches at celebrity award ceremonies are about "change" ?
It's trendy to try and bring down the system that has actually enabled them to be as priveliged as they are, yet they think they are oppressed.
It is entirely possible that another reason for trying to destroy farming is that it is a mostly white and male profession, it is also no coincidence that these Vegans are mostly female probably feminists who think we are white supremacists.
They have gone apaplectic since brexit and Trump
How many speeches at celebrity award ceremonies are about "change" ?
Dead Rabbits
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I always interested to see children from vegan parents who are themselves second or third generation vegans. Then we can know if this ideology is as “ safe “ as promised.
I think Vegans/ vegetarians have no idea what would happen to all the grass meadows, moorland,hillland, range land,Etc etc across the planet if there were no animals to graze the aforementioned areas . Do they not realise that unless grazed grassland will mainly return to scrubland which is not always good for attracting wildlife.
Oh how stupid of me,I had forgotten they do not agree with animals birds,so no wildlife
Of course they will say we like animals on our terms.