Vive la différence! - MF65 MKI (Mechanical) Restoration

Hello everyone - would be interested in your views on the below.

Having recently acquired a bit of land, I needed a small tractor to mow 4 acres of pasture - and to carry/drag logs/firewood/granite etc.

Somehow, I then acquired a French (UK built?) MK1 MF65 (plate on dash states "MF 865 DS", see photo) - I'm assuming MK1 because the injectors are vertical. I don't know the year and haven't been able to find any references to the serial number on the plate. The tractor runs well but does need a lot of mechanical restoration/fettling. It's lived in the South of France until very recently and the tin-work looks sound (not that I'm any expert). I'm primarily interested in making the tractor mechanically sound, as it's going to be put to (modest) work. I'm less interested in the aesthetics, although I might tart up a few things.

I attach a few photos - I would be grateful if anyone can help with identity/year - or with any general mending advice. I've never spannered a tractor - but have done plenty of dirt bikes - and a few cars. I've a lot to learn, but I'm not a complete mechanical beginner. I've managed to source a set of MF workshop manuals, parts book etc.

I will need to buy a few tools - and no doubt a shed-load of MF65 parts. That's where the trouble start really, as many of the parts are applicable to a serial number range - and the French serial number is nowhere near those ranges - an early hiccup of which I'm sure there will be plenty more to come. The chassis seems to have been painted a cream colour, rather than stoneleigh grey - I'm not sure if that's a feature of export tractors or whether it has been re-painted previously (a long time ago, judging by the state of it....)

Anyway, Its going to be a journey and an adventure. I'd appreciate any help and particularly any sage advice... will also soon be posting updates to fofh.co.uk. Any clues on where to best buy bits would be very welcome. First job is to get some water in the engine, the rad hoses are crumbling away in my hands. Thanks!

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SMID

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Mixed Farmer
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Sorn Ayrshire
According to The Massey Legacy vol 2 865 production ran from 1960 to 1964 your pics dont show the engine sump clear enough to determine whether its a mk 1 or not, the oil filter on most mk 1s were at 45 degrees but not all of them, the mk 1s have a wedge shaped block between the sump and the clutch housing. French chassis colour was flint grey it looks like theirs been a surplus of paint after a household refreshment . It looks very savable though.
 

Gordy1

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Hello everyone - would be interested in your views on the below.

Having recently acquired a bit of land, I needed a small tractor to mow 4 acres of pasture - and to carry/drag logs/firewood/granite etc.

Somehow, I then acquired a French (UK built?) MK1 MF65 (plate on dash states "MF 865 DS", see photo) - I'm assuming MK1 because the injectors are vertical. I don't know the year and haven't been able to find any references to the serial number on the plate. The tractor runs well but does need a lot of mechanical restoration/fettling. It's lived in the South of France until very recently and the tin-work looks sound (not that I'm any expert). I'm primarily interested in making the tractor mechanically sound, as it's going to be put to (modest) work. I'm less interested in the aesthetics, although I might tart up a few things.


I attach a few photos - I would be grateful if anyone can help with identity/year - or with any general mending advice. I've never spannered a tractor - but have done plenty of dirt bikes - and a few cars. I've a lot to learn, but I'm not a complete mechanical beginner. I've managed to source a set of MF workshop manuals, parts book etc.

I will need to buy a few tools - and no doubt a shed-load of MF65 parts. That's where the trouble start really, as many of the parts are applicable to a serial number range - and the French serial number is nowhere near those ranges - an early hiccup of which I'm sure there will be plenty more to come. The chassis seems to have been painted a cream colour, rather than stoneleigh grey - I'm not sure if that's a feature of export tractors or whether it has been re-painted previously (a long time ago, judging by the state of it....)

Anyway, Its going to be a journey and an adventure. I'd appreciate any help and particularly any sage advice... will also soon be posting updates to fofh.co.uk. Any clues on where to best buy bits would be very welcome. First job is to get some water in the engine, the rad hoses are crumbling away in my hands. Thanks!

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I’d reroute that exhaust if I were you......liable to get knocked off there!!
 
I’d reroute that exhaust if I were you......liable to get knocked off there!!

That exhaust is in the scrap bin! Along with it's "wire hanger a la francais". I need a 180 deg elbow from the manifold and a new silencer (+clamp, studs, gasket etc). Choice of four colours available for the silencer - black "stove enamel", Black gloss, silver/aluminium, or "sand texture"/cream coloured. For some reason, the latter is twice the price of the other three.... Any clues which would be most appropriate to order?
 
According to The Massey Legacy vol 2 865 production ran from 1960 to 1964 your pics dont show the engine sump clear enough to determine whether its a mk 1 or not, the oil filter on most mk 1s were at 45 degrees but not all of them, the mk 1s have a wedge shaped block between the sump and the clutch housing. French chassis colour was flint grey it looks like theirs been a surplus of paint after a household refreshment . It looks very savable though.

Thank you - much appreciated - I'll go out and take a photo underneath later today. The oil filter is definitely vertical, but as you say that's not conclusive.

If that's not the "proper" colour, then I'll be doing some painting too.... What always surprises me about the restored tractors i've seen - is that everything bar the tin, seat, tyres, dynamo etc seems to be painted along with the chassis. So nuts & threads are painted, fuel lines, etc etc - is that normal?

It looks very savable though.
Thank you for that.... that's encouraging (y)


I found some further numbers around the engine/gearbox :-

Engine LHS centre of block 0280095J ("raised" lettering)
Engine LHS centre of block N120 & Bilchrome? (also both in "raised" lettering)
Engine LHS upper/rear of block 2814858 (stamped into a flat/machined face)

The photos below are from either side of the gearbox, will need to wire-brush the second one to see the lettering more clearly. Rear of sump photo to follow... thanks again.

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SMID

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Sorn Ayrshire
Thank you - much appreciated - I'll go out and take a photo underneath later today. The oil filter is definitely vertical, but as you say that's not conclusive.

If that's not the "proper" colour, then I'll be doing some painting too.... What always surprises me about the restored tractors i've seen - is that everything bar the tin, seat, tyres, dynamo etc seems to be painted along with the chassis. So nuts & threads are painted, fuel lines, etc etc - is that normal?


Thank you for that.... that's encouraging (y)


I found some further numbers around the engine/gearbox :-

Engine LHS centre of block 0280095J ("raised" lettering)
Engine LHS centre of block N120 & Bilchrome? (also both in "raised" lettering)
Engine LHS upper/rear of block 2814858 (stamped into a flat/machined face)

The photos below are from either side of the gearbox, will need to wire-brush the second one to see the lettering more clearly. Rear of sump photo to follow... thanks again.

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Its definitely a mk 1 I cant vouch for French ones but Coventry ones were painted before the the radiator hoses,and wiring the dynamo and starter were fitted so were grey, lift quadrant was plated and the lower links were dealer fitted to reduce the length for transport.
 
Is there any easy way to identify the engine type? I'm pretty sure it's not an AD4.203 as the injectors are vertical - and I understand that the AD4 engine has slanty injectors. If that's true, it could still be an A4.203 or an A4.192 - how do I tell? Having trouble buying parts....


Its definitely a mk 1

Great, thanks - at least I now know what I have...

looks very straight and original

Good to hear, thank you. Was concerned that I'd bought Frankenstein's monster for a little while....
 

multi power

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Is there any easy way to identify the engine type? I'm pretty sure it's not an AD4.203 as the injectors are vertical - and I understand that the AD4 engine has slanty injectors. If that's true, it could still be an A4.203 or an A4.192 - how do I tell? Having trouble buying parts....




Great, thanks - at least I now know what I have...



Good to hear, thank you. Was concerned that I'd bought Frankenstein's monster for a little while....
MK1 is 192 engine
Mk2 is 203 engine
There should be a plate on the inlet manifold with the engine model , if not look for the wedge shape at the bell housing area, I've a mk2 and I will get photos for you to compare
Have you a link to the exhaust, the sand texture one ?
Mayhill tractors are quite good for parts, however a lot of reproduction parts are not great, it's really a matter of picking and choosing what you buy from where
Sparex parts are generally good, often "genuine" MF parts are very competitively priced as well
 

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