Welsh Sustainable Farming Scheme AND Protests

[little_p]

Fair play to GWJ for engaging with Sunak in a coherent and positive way (not sure about the pink scarf/cravat thing though)
Pity it's meaningless in Markist (see what i did there?) Wales

I have to disagree.
Having prominent farmers having selfies with Tory politicians will cause more harm than good. This has now turned it political.
Battle lines will now be drawn. And it will be along party political lines.

With the Tories promoting the narrative that they are on the side of the farmers. Battling against them their metropolitan socialist types in that there Cardiff.

A huge number of people that should be communicating and convincing regarding SFS will now close their minds. There are plenty of places in Wales where the Tories are absolutely despised and anything attached to the Tories is going to be at best, treated with questionable truth, at worst, the spreading of yet more Tory lies. There will be people that will automatically dismiss our concerns because it is being raised by the Tories.

PS: GWJ must have been kicking himself that he missed such a golden opportunity for 'product placement'.

 

[aled1590]

I was at Llandudno yesterday. I know fully well that the tories are jumping on the band wagon. Reason I went was to keep the pressure on Welsh labour down at the senedd and keeping it all in the public eye. Driving through Town centre in a convoy of around 40 tractors, hundreds of people stopping what they were doing and giving us the thumbs up and clapping is only a good thing. I’m hoping Labour comes up with a better deal for us, although I would probably qualify for 20% trees and habitat and already have ponds here, but my neighbour would have his work cut out. And that is the main problem, every farm is different, they need to offer more flexibility.

 

[Cvx1170]

Are you forgetting it was literally a protest, in front of the Tory conference? They chose to be engaging.
The same opportunity was given to Labour several times

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I have just filled in the consultation for the SFI scheme. I have never read a more poorly written questionnaire. Either leading questions, elliptical questions or just plainly too long. I had almost lost the will to live reading the questions and trying to figure out what they wanted to know. Have they piloted the questionnaire? Has whoever wrote it heard of the readability score of prose? Was it deliberate to write such a poorly written survey in order to not get results?

 

[little_p]

Are you forgetting it was literally a protest, in front of the Tory conference? They chose to be engaging.
The same opportunity was given to Labour several times

You call it 'engaging', I call it 'political opportunity'. PM says "I've got your back" before scuttling back to London to provide yet more empty promises......

But we have both fallen into the trap. We are both talking about Conservatives and Labour. Even we are allowing the matter to become party political. For it to succeed we need to take red and blue out of it. Labour v Tory is too devise in Wales.

I'm not trying to knock those that are getting out there and trying to do something, I really aren't.

 

[TL100]

Its very easy to take part in the consultation through the NFU Cymru website and responses still go directly to WG.
There's a box at the bottom to write your own response, you can say as much or as little as you want. Post 84 of this thread from @Bald Rick is an excellent example of a reply.
Also a reminder that everyone can respond so husbands/wives/partners its not just one reply per farm as we'll all be affected by this madness.

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[Bald Rick]

I have to disagree.
Having prominent farmers having selfies with Tory politicians will cause more harm than good. This has now turned it political.
Battle lines will now be drawn. And it will be along party political lines.

With the Tories promoting the narrative that they are on the side of the farmers. Battling against them their metropolitan socialist types in that there Cardiff.

A huge number of people that should be communicating and convincing regarding SFS will now close their minds. There are plenty of places in Wales where the Tories are absolutely despised and anything attached to the Tories is going to be at best, treated with questionable truth, at worst, the spreading of yet more Tory lies. There will be people that will automatically dismiss our concerns because it is being raised by the Tories.

PS: GWJ must have been kicking himself that he missed such a golden opportunity for 'product placement'.

I full take on your points and agree that “I’ve got your back” is both insulting and naive when an English PM has no control over how a devolved government chooses to spend its agricultural budget.

However, this is playing towards the debate on 28th when it appears both Plaid & the Tories are going to vote together on both SFS and TB so has to be looked at through that lens. Personally, I think it may harden any Labour waverers so it is imperative that there is a large, vocal but peaceful turnout of farmers, workers and ancillary industries on the streets of Cardiff

As for GWJ, he is one of our leading activists outside of the presidents of the two unions and I thought he spoke clearly and moderately to Sunak

 

[Bald Rick]

Its very easy to take part in the consultation through the NFU Cymru website and responses still go directly to WG.
There's a box at the bottom to write your own response, you can say as much or as little as you want. Post 84 of this thread from @Bald Rick is an excellent example of a reply.
Also a reminder that everyone can respond so husbands/wives/partners its not just one reply per farm as we'll all be affected by this madness.

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For info

Post #84 is on Page 5 due to the merger of a number of similar threads

To date NFU Cymru have recorded well over 3000 responses via their portal but there are some 16,000 registered holdings in Wales and the more responses submitted, the stronger will be the hand of the Unions when sat around the table

See post two above for link

 

[Ffermer Bach]

For info

Post #84 is on Page 5 due to the merger of a number of similar threads

To date NFU Cymru have recorded well over 3000 responses via their portal but there are some 16,000 registered holdings in Wales and the more responses submitted, the stronger will be the hand of the Unions when sat around the table

See post two above for link

I think it is also important to submit a response on the Welsh Government questionnaire, why not submit both? I have.
This is the address

Respond online | GOV.WALES

www.gov.wales

 

[Bald Rick]

I think it is also important to submit a response on the Welsh Government questionnaire, why not submit both? I have.
This is the address

Respond online | GOV.WALES

www.gov.wales

Just for clarity, the NFU Cymru link is sent directly to WG and they acknowledge that via the email address you submit.
All the NFU Cymru one does is pre-populate the questions so you can, if you wish, just write your comments in the expandable box

 

[Forkdriver]

What are the details for joining the Cardiff protest?

 

[Bald Rick]

What are the details for joining the Cardiff protest?

Ask around. I know buses are booked leaving from quite a few places in the north including the Sainted Isle
Local mart, ag merchant or union offices would be good places to ring for pointers

 

[glasshouse]

Welsh farmers have form here!!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Just for clarity, the NFU Cymru link is sent directly to WG and they acknowledge that via the email address you submit.
All the NFU Cymru one does is pre-populate the questions so you can, if you wish, just write your comments in the expandable box

I don't find the two set of questions correlate

 

[Mythoughts]

I’m with Drakeford. Either sign up to it or leave it all alone. Farmers choice. He who pays the piper calls the tune

 

[tepapa]

I’m with Drakeford. Either sign up to it or leave it all alone. Farmers choice. He who pays the piper calls the tune

You do realise it's not actually Drakefords money, it's the tax payers, and they should have a say in how it's spent not just one man's opinion backed by a few of his mate's.

 

[JLLM]

Done both survey's, some of the questions in the WAG one were WTF?

 

[davidroberts30]

I’m with Drakeford. Either sign up to it or leave it all alone. Farmers choice. He who pays the piper calls the tune

Hello Vaughan or isit Leslie

 

[steveR]

You do realise it's not actually Drakefords money, it's the tax payers, and they should have a say in how it's spent not just one man's opinion backed by a few of his mate's.

He's a one message poster .... Labour shill?

 

[orchard]

To be fair @steveR isn't it a more right wing position not to redistribute wealth as benefits? It's a valid point, why subsidise busted business models unless there's some public good coming from it?

I don't agree with a lot of what the Welsh Gov are trying to implement, and believe that they have been persuaded to pursue an ecomodernist agenda in part, which has similarities to previous colonial arguments that preceded natives being removed from the land, but what I find the most shocking about all this is how the Welsh government and environmental policies are at the centre of all of this with the far right organising and leading the protests and supermarkets sponsoring transportation.

As I see it, Welsh gov are only one part of the issues you face, and yet you seem to follow blindly the ones who introduced unfair competition through trade deals that permit imports of lower standards and quality, the ones who drive down your prices day-to-day, the ones who financialised and promoted carbon markets that Labour are implementing. None of them seem to be friends of farming nor the environment we live and work in. You're being played as a political pawn.