What do we all agree on?

Pigken

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Location
Co. Durham
...but if your a bloke that sits down to pee then you won't be interested in boobs....so they will disagree šŸ˜ŠšŸ˜Š
I would like to think that we could dis agree to agree on that. As must say often sit down for middle of night pee so do not have to open eyes and concentrate or aim or put light on etc. And if it's good enough for the other gender who am I to argue. šŸ¤”
 

robs1

Member
Lead by example, wait if we all followed boz and his moral example we would have some even stranger living arrangements.
Is his moral standard any worse than major shagging edwina or Prescott his secretary or clinton a young intern ? I dont see why people use him as an example when it seems the majority of those in power are hard at it given the choice, jeremy Thorpe and paddy pantsdown being two from the liberals.
 

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
Is his moral standard any worse than major shagging edwina or Prescott his secretary or clinton a young intern ? I dont see why people use him as an example when it seems the majority of those in power are hard at it given the choice, jeremy Thorpe and paddy pantsdown being two from the liberals.

i suppose all of those were smart enough not to leave a trail of illegitimate childrenšŸ‘
 

JCMaloney

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Location
LE9 2JG
The removal of corporal punishment led to the breakdown of adherence to authority.
From that the scroates now have more rights & excuses than the law abiding.

The lack of "pride in your front" ruins neighbourhoods. I sweep and weed ours regularly, in plenty of other areas folk "leave it to the council".

Maybe I`m stuck in the 60s/70`s but society had more cohesion then.
 

JimAndy

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Mixed Farmer
Is his moral standard any worse than major shagging edwina or Prescott his secretary or clinton a young intern ? I dont see why people use him as an example when it seems the majority of those in power are hard at it given the choice, jeremy Thorpe and paddy pantsdown being two from the liberals.
it not just that he had a affair, anyone can fall to a weakness once. It the shear number of them, show that it not him making one bad choice but that he just doesn't give a dam about the promises he has made to his partner's (unless his wedding vows are "in sickness and health, till death do us part or i find someone younger and fitter"). plus the out and out bare face lying he does
 

linga

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Location
Ceredigion
i suppose all of those were smart enough not to leave a trail of illegitimate childrenšŸ‘
But is he an absentee father or does he ensure (jointly with the mother...) that they are properly looked after and parented.
Perhaps for balance in the current climate I should say that other genders are available .....wouldnt want to offend the others !
 

linga

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Location
Ceredigion
returning to the original post and the example that we all would agree on about child abuse.
I am sure we can all agree it is wrong but then we might differ about what constitutes abuse and doesnt this apply to everything.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Is his moral standard any worse than major shagging edwina or Prescott his secretary or clinton a young intern ? I dont see why people use him as an example when it seems the majority of those in power are hard at it given the choice, jeremy Thorpe and paddy pantsdown being two from the liberals.
If we agree that what Clinton etc did was wrong either as an abuse of power or an abuse of trust to their respective wives etc then when a serial adulterer such as Johnson is elected to a position of power what we are saying is actually it doesnā€™t matter anymore if you cheat on your wife and family or you pay taxpayers money to your girlfriend. What it says is the fundamental values of family no longer apply. A hundred years ago getting divorced caused great stigma in another hundred years could we elect a murderer as leader becauseā€™ he only killed one person
ā€˜itā€™s not as though heā€™s a serial killerā€™.
 
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robs1

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If we agree that what Clinton etc did was wrong either as an abuse of power or an abuse of trust to their respective wives etc then when a serial adulterer such as Johnson is elected to a position of power what we are saying is actually it doesnā€™t matter anymore if you cheat on your wife and family or you pay taxpayers money to your girlfriend. What it says is the fundamental values of family no longer apply. A hundred years ago getting divorced caused great stigma in another hundred years could we elect a murderer as leader becauseā€™ he only killed one person
ā€˜itā€™s not as though heā€™s a serial killerā€™.
In some ways I agree, but I'm.not sure if cheating means you can't do a decent job at work,not referring to boris in particular in that comment by the way.it could be said blair was worse as thousands died because of his lies.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
In some ways I agree, but I'm.not sure if cheating means you can't do a decent job at work,not referring to boris in particular in that comment by the way.it could be said blair was worse as thousands died because of his lies.
In way I think it says more about modern society than the person in question. There have always been people who cheat and there have always been people who have left a trail of illegitimate children in their wake however they wouldnā€™t have been selected for high office because society would have judged them unfit. Now itā€™s not the case. As for Blair Iā€™m with you one hundred percent.
 

robs1

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In way I think it says more about modern society than the person in question. There have always been people who cheat and there have always been people who have left a trail of illegitimate children in their wake however they wouldnā€™t have been selected for high office because society would have judged them unfit. Now itā€™s not the case. As for Blair Iā€™m with you one hundred percent.
I think if you look at history of politicians or royalty they were always at it but it wasnt so easy to catch them and it was sort of expected and ignored, it seems the french are expected to take a mistress, 30 years is a long time to have sex with just one person, go swinging and have the best of both worlds if you want a change from the norm
 

Easedoff

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Livestock Farmer
I think if you look at history of politicians or royalty they were always at it but it wasnt so easy to catch them and it was sort of expected and ignored, it seems the french are expected to take a mistress, 30 years is a long time to have sex with just one person, go swinging and have the best of both worlds if you want a change from the norm

Would this be swinging?


 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
In some ways I agree, but I'm.not sure if cheating means you can't do a decent job at work,not referring to boris in particular in that comment by the way.it could be said blair was worse as thousands died because of his lies.
You cannot blame the gulf war on Blair. You can probably blame him for being vain, but we were only there as bit part players to enable Bush to claim the invasion was democratically legitimate and not a singular act of US imperialism.

As for Johnson his sprogs are somewhat his own affair, although showing a distinct lack of morality. But there are other things in his past like his lying, making up fictitious stories as a supposedly European correspondent, involvement in the beating up of a fellow journalist investigating a criminal friend of his. Altercation in Symonds' flat which the police were called to. Then we get on to all the peerages for cash, donor contributions, bypassing procurement rules for "A" list friends and relatives the list just goes on. One law for them and another for the rest of us.
 

robs1

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You cannot blame the gulf war on Blair. You can probably blame him for being vain, but we were only there as bit part players to enable Bush to claim the invasion was democratically legitimate and not a singular act of US imperialism.

As for Johnson his sprogs are somewhat his own affair, although showing a distinct lack of morality. But there are other things in his past like his lying, making up fictitious stories as a supposedly European correspondent, involvement in the beating up of a fellow journalist investigating a criminal friend of his. Altercation in Symonds' flat which the police were called to. Then we get on to all the peerages for cash, donor contributions, bypassing procurement rules for "A" list friends and relatives the list just goes on. One law for them and another for the rest of us.
Had blair told the truth then maybe the US wouldn't have gone in, he also got caught up with peerage for cash, if there was any law breaking over ppe procurement then prosecute, as for the argument in the flat, does anyone know the facts ? I doubt it, as I said before is he any better or worse than others?
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
Had blair told the truth then maybe the US wouldn't have gone in, he also got caught up with peerage for cash, if there was any law breaking over ppe procurement then prosecute, as for the argument in the flat, does anyone know the facts ? I doubt it, as I said before is he any better or worse than others?
Tony Blair wasn't the problem , his wife was , Boris beware
 

JimAndy

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Mixed Farmer
This right here is what wrong with the UK (and other countries as well) NO one takes responsibility anymore

when you point out the lies/ shady behaviour of a leader (even if there is video/hard evidence ) instead of saying "that bad, maybe we should chose someone else" they go What About Ya

we talking about Boris, every one know he a lying asshat, but instead of people going yes we know that we deserve better
they go What about Blair, brown or whoever in some effort to make their guy seem ok, he not, he still a lying asshat

and just because you can list a load of people who were also a pack of lying asshats, does not justify having the like of Boris as the PM of the UK

maybe just maybe, if people from ALL walks of life and political divide , where to start demanding a higher standard of people who want to be our "leaders" then we might get a government worthy of us
 

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